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  • d3nj4l 952 days ago
    As a minor counterpoint: I've come to dread blogs and newsletters because so many of them are written by grind culture freaks who only write faux-insightful SEO'd content as a way to build an audience to sell snake oil to. These days the only blogs I trust are the ones I see on the top of HN or lobsters, which is unfortunate because I have interests beyond tech and I find it very, very difficult to find good blogs I can read about those interests.

    I think that shows there is a problem with blogging that goes beyond just the medium. Consider that blogging is a decentralised ecosystem, so you have no central place for discovery outside of Google specifically and search generally. Being on the top of Google is an attractive proposition because it means many eyeballs and lots of ad revenue. Therefore it is natural that many new blogs exist to game the search engine, hence the term "blogspam".

    Some of the same incentives exist with large social media sites as well, but on Twitter and the like if you mute/block enough big people and follow only those you care about, your feed will eventually become clean enough to look at every day. So I think it is much more important to solve the discovery problem with blogs if you want them to get more traction.

    • dsr_ 952 days ago
      The way to find good blogs is to start by asking technical questions in whatever subject you are interested in.

      If you want to read about barbeque, you need to start with a technical question about barbeque; if you want to read about Greek history, you need a question about that.

      Eventually you will find somebody knowledgeable who is writing about that subject. They will in turn link to others, or comment on others, and so forth.

      Discussion groups and forums and such are useful.

      • maskros 952 days ago
        Discussion groups and forums used to be useful, but now they're dying out and being replaced by undiscoverable walled garden facebook groups and discord servers...
        • godshatter 952 days ago
          This, pseudonymous de-centralized discussion groups and forums, is what I would pick as the one thing I would like to bring back to the internet. There used to be a forum about everything, each one it's own community, most of which didn't require ties to a real-world identity.

          I'm sure they exist, but they are really hard to find.

          • wyclif 952 days ago
            They exist in abundance on IRC.
        • pixelgeek 952 days ago
          This was my immediate response. The number of forums available has plummeted. And as @maskros says, they are all in private Facebook groups now. Private because no-one wants their personal life trickling into their Facebook feed in case someone from work sees it.
          • wyclif 952 days ago
            On Facebook, you don't need to use a private group for privacy. You set up a different audience group that isn't public and change the audience to one that is non-public.
            • pixelgeek 950 days ago
              That may be true but if you moderate a group you get requests from people to make it private who either don't know this or don't know the difference.

              Or don't trust Facebook to just change the way 'privacy' works

        • api 952 days ago
          The Internet is a dark forest. As soon as there is money to be made or power to be gained by exploiting something, the barbarian hordes will burn it to the ground unless it's behind towers and walls.
        • brentis 952 days ago
          Came here to say forums. Niche areas of information which no social media platform can begin to compete with.
        • thepasswordis 952 days ago
          And what's frustrating is that you can't even search those facebook groups (AFAIK).
          • pixelgeek 952 days ago
            By design I would suspect. Facebook is an informational black hole. Even the referrer links from there are useless.
            • lol768 952 days ago
              Yup - it's actively hostile to anyone trying to visit anonymously: https://webapps.stackexchange.com/questions/151591/facebook-...

              (Never mind the overlays which take up about a third of the viewport height and beg you to login / sign-up - Twitter have started doing this recently)

              Discoverability is deliberately hampered by the lack of pagination and reliance on infinite scrolling.

            • jazzyjackson 952 days ago
              i was shocked when i found there’s no way to link or share a specific comment.
        • pers0n 952 days ago
          Big forums can cost a lot of money to run and managing the spam can be a mess these days. Not only that the boards that have enough proper tools to deal with the spam aren't free. Sure there are plugins for some forum software that fix a few things, but often you have to install 6 plugins and that still isnt enough, plus then you have to do updates and hope it doesnt break those un-official plugins.
          • cratermoon 952 days ago
            Even blog comment sections are overrun with spam links.
      • leetcrew 952 days ago
        great advice, and I'd add that it doesn't even have to be a particularly intelligent question. I found bret devereaux's excellent blog by googling "game of thrones historical accuracy" and got far more than I expected.
      • ipaddr 952 days ago
        There are specific content bloggers and life bloggers. Someone may have a great bbq post but the blog is filled with other subjects. The people who write only about bbq usually are part of a sales funnel process.
    • lonk11 952 days ago
      Discovery of good sources of information such as blogs is hard. And I think the biggest problem is the lack of trust. Everyone wants to grab your attention [1]. So how do you know that others won't waste your attention?

      To solve this problem I am building https://linklonk.com that cultivates trust as you rate content. When you upvote a link you connect stronger to the feed that posted it (which could be a blog's feed) and to other users that upvoted this link before you. When you downvote - your connections to those who upvoted become weaker.

      The strength of your connections to other feeds and users represents how useful their content recommendations have been to you in the past and they could be used as a measure of how likely their future recommendations will be worth your time (ie, trust that they won't waste your time).

      The content is ranked according to the connection weights - so you get information from the sources that have shown to be content curators for you.

      I did a Show HN recently for this project that has more details: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28405643

      [1] - like my comment here tries to draw your attention to my hobby project.

      • erklik 952 days ago
        > Discovery of good sources of information such as blogs is hard. And I think the biggest problem is the lack of trust. Everyone wants to grab your attention [1]. So how do you know that others won't waste your attention?

        > To solve this problem I am building https://linklonk.com that cultivates trust as you rate content. When you upvote a link you connect stronger to the feed that posted it (which could be a blog's feed) and to other users that upvoted this link before you. When you downvote - your connections to those who upvoted become weaker.

        > The strength of your connections to other feeds and users represents how useful their content recommendations have been to you in the past and they could be used as a measure of how likely their future recommendations will be worth your time (ie, trust that they won't waste your time).

        > The content is ranked according to the connection weights - so you get information from the sources that have shown to be content curators for you.

        > I did a Show HN recently for this project that has more details: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28405643

        > [1] - like my comment here tries to draw your attention to my hobby project.

        I find this so interesting. OP complains about people constantly trying to sell him something which is why he was turned off of blogs. And what happens? Someone tries to sell him something for his problem of too much selling.

        Ah. What a world. Solution to too much selling is more selling.

        • wizzwizz4 952 days ago
          LinkLonk is free, and it solves the problem. I've only used it for about 15 minutes, because in that time it fed me enough interesting stuff that I overwrote (and then closed) the tab.

          This isn't somebody trying to sell something. It's somebody trying to help.

          • sweuder 952 days ago
            What does overwrote mean in this context? thanks
        • mkr-hn 952 days ago
          HN is a place full of people working on solutions to problems shared by a lot of people on HN, so it's common and normal to to offer that thing up to someone with the same problem.
        • rfrey 952 days ago
          Alternative framing: Solution to someone's problem is to propose a tool one has built that helps fix it.
        • hammyhavoc 952 days ago
          Pretty sure there's an xkcd for this.
      • BlackFly 952 days ago
        I like the idea. I have a sort of feature request premised on the assumption you end up having weights attached to the index to determine the priority of output. Could you make these weights exportable?

        In that way, you could have curated content. Like if I find someone that has really similar interests to me I could import their weights and see the web via their prioritisation. Similarly, (countering a problem I always have with google search bubbles) I could explain to my friend how to navigate to a site I found via search if they import my weights.

        Edit: being able to manually modify my own weights would probably be helpful as well to decay sell outs.

        • lonk11 952 days ago
          I had an idea similar to this as well - to help people kickstart recommendations for their friends. I'm thinking of creating a personal url for each user (e.g., linklonk.com/u/lonk). If someone upvotes that url - they establish connections to the sources that user is connected to.

          When you want to introduce someone to LinkLonk you could share with them your personal url.

          As for decaying sellouts, wouldn't downvoting the content they upvoted do what you want?

          By the way, every time someone you are connected to upvotes something, your connection to them becomes slightly weaker. So if you simply ignore recommendations from sources with a lower signal-to-noise ratio (or high volume) - their recommendations will eventually fade away from the "For you" page.

      • hopesthoughts 940 days ago
        Can I dump my OPML into this, and you recommend me feeds based on what I'm already subscribed to?
      • iainctduncan 952 days ago
        This is a really nice idea. If I may make a suggestion, scrolling down takes a lot of scrolling because each link takes up so much vertical screen space on account of really big whitespace gutters, size of the thumbnail, and the general layout. I wind up being able to see only 3 on a screen compared 16 on HN! I would be much more likely to adopt this regularly if you changed the layout to pack more previews in to a vertical screen of space. HTH
        • lonk11 952 days ago
          Would it work if we had an option for a "compact" mode that shows items without no thumbnail and description?

          Or would you change something else?

          I don't know if I can get rid of the bottom part with the buttons since this is where the collection selector is - where you pick what collection the item you like should go to.

          • iainctduncan 949 days ago
            yeah a more compact mode would be good!
      • derekzhouzhen 952 days ago
        > The strength of your connections to other feeds and users represents how useful their content recommendations have been to you in the past and they could be used as a measure of how likely their future recommendations will be worth your time (ie, trust that they won't waste your time).

        Your intention is noble, but this is still based on network effects and a positive feedback loop. I doubt you can beat the social medias in their own game.

        • lonk11 952 days ago
          True, the network effects of the traditional social media are strong. LinkLonk needs a critical mass of users for network effects to kick in.

          To make it worthwhile for the users before the project reaches that point, I am trying to make LinkLonk a better tool that helps you keep track of the content you liked (kind of a bookmarking service) and helps you follow RSS feeds in (kind of a feed reader).

          If you have other ideas of how to make it more useful before we have enough users - let me know.

          • derekzhouzhen 951 days ago
            > If you have other ideas of how to make it more useful before we have enough users - let me know.

            I have an idea; maybe you can enable people to publish a list of links that are curated by themselves, in the form of a RSS feed. This way your user can have a sense of ownership.

            • lonk11 951 days ago
              Thanks for the idea! LinkLonk already has a concept of a "list of links" - collections. When you upvote a link you put it into one (or more) of your collections.

              What you are suggesting is similar to another idea I had (https://linklonk.com/item/9146000221282140160): "An option to generate a publicly visible url for any of your collections. This could help you share your collection of liked items with other people. And it could help LinkLonk get new users."

              Adding an RSS feed for these publicly accessible collections would be a natural extension.

      • unraveller 951 days ago
        You are still going get splash damage from people who trust people who fall for plausibly non-clickbait clickbait, as is the top item for me right now [1]. As this system gets larger and more overlapping you are going to have to work more diligently to undo bad follows to get tinier amounts of content referrals.

        The discovery problem should be solved on page and spread that way, to remain decentralised and free from the all the centralised incentives that lead to clickbait. You almost have to punish hosts that appear anywhere centralized lest they get a taste for clickblood.

        [1] https://linklonk.com/item/2226616383778586624

        • lonk11 951 days ago
          If you see content that is not worth your time recommended to you then you can downvote it to stop trusting those who found it useful. It is all in your control as a user.

          I didn't quite get what are the centralized incentives that lead to clickbait. Is it a comment about LinkLonk or centralized systems in general?

          Centralization and decentralization have trade-offs. Right now the downvotes on LinkLonk are private. The upvotes are semi-public, but not available in raw form. If you wanted to implement the LinkLonk's algorithm in a decentralized manner then you would need all hosts to make the upvote and downvote data available to all other participants. Maybe homomorphic encryption can solve this problem.

          My goal is to build a proof of concept in my spare time and the centralized approach seems to be the right option in my situation.

      • naravara 952 days ago
        I don't think trust can be reliably built with elements of gamification like this. The deal with gamification is that people learn to game it out, which erodes the kinds of sincere or honest interactions you're trying to cultivate.

        In the olden times blogs earned trust by cultivating a reputation. The reputation was earned by having an audience that trusted them and recommended them. Cross-linking content to other blogs, guest blogging, being included on a blogger's 'blogroll,' etc. were all ways they expanded their audience.

        It was slower and had much less reach, but it also focused more on "building an audience" rather than "driving traffic." We, fundamentally, don't trust content, so mechanisms that operate on validating atomized bits of content are going to fall flat. We trust people and institutions. If you want to build trust it has to work on the agents producing the content rather than the content itself. Segmenting content up into atomized bits is what creates the erosion of trust in the first place. It's something timeline driven social media feeds do specifically because it makes it difficult to parse genuine buzz from advertising, which makes the ads more effective. But that's the opposite of trustworthiness.

        • nnutter 952 days ago
          This is sort of a perfectionist perspective. Search engines use the same “gamification” and suffer the same problems you’re “predicting” but that doesn’t mean you don’t use search. It does mean it’s an arms race between the engine and the abusers. Weighting the agents instead of the content is no different than a popularity contest and is essentially an “appeal to authority” (or a lot like cancel culture). Just because someone has weird opinions about X doesn’t mean they can’t be brilliant about Y. If you ranked the content then their X content can sink and their Y content can rise. The problem with Twitter, etc. is that their incentives are not as aligned with their users’ goals as we would like. Probably the best part about blogging was that it wasn’t centralized and so wasn’t subject to one person’s definition of what those trade-offs should be. But, of course, now we’re trying to discuss fixing one of its weaknesses without losing too many of its strengths.
        • lonk11 952 days ago
          > If you want to build trust it has to work on the agents producing the content...

          LinkLonk's algorithm works that way. It builds trust in sources of information (including users who rate content). And it does not and will not try to understand the individual pieces of content.

          Unlike the social media feeds that are powered by black box neural networks, LinkLonk's algorithm is transparent. You know how your interactions with it will be interpreted. I hope that this transparency will help build trust in the system and in the sources of information you are connecting to.

          Yes, bad actors will try to game any system to gain the attention that they don't deserve. I'm not claiming that LinkLonk is game-proof, but I think it has better feedback loops and incentives than other systems such as popularity based ranking (please don't take it as a challenge).

          • lupire 952 days ago
            I hope you are inspired by your experience today, seeing that all the negative criticism of your project is so weak. Keep up the good work.
      • Lamad123 952 days ago
        I used to hate canned tuna in the past but I love it now!! Your mechanism doesn't account for this!
        • lonk11 951 days ago
          Your connections to feeds and other users on LinkLonk evolve over time as you rate content. If you start upvoting tuna-related content then LinkLonk will connect you to other tuna lovers and your connections will gradually "forget" your past hate for it.
        • frogulis 952 days ago
          Canned tuna is just about the only food I can't bring myself to like. What changed for you?
      • NetOpWibby 952 days ago
        Neat project, thanks for sharing.
      • habibur 952 days ago
        We need a standard API to subscribe to blogs on other sites, that will appear on our blog feed as news feed -- like how facebook or tweeter feeds work. RSS is too personal, too much outside the flow.
        • lolinder 952 days ago
          RSS is a standard API to subscribe to blogs. Maybe what you're suggesting is that more tools are needed to make RSS more accessible to lay people?
        • diskzero 952 days ago
          RSS is too personal, too much outside the flow.

          I have no idea about "too personal" mean, but the only reason you would consider RSS "outside of the flow" is due to the concerted effort by Google, Twitter, Facebook and Apple to reduce support. Even Mozilla(!) has been involved in removing support.

          RSS is a perfectly good, tested and usable mechanism. Coming up with yet another syndication mechanism would be a huge waste of time and effort, most likely resulting in insignificance.

        • aembleton 952 days ago
          I don't understand how RSS is too personal. An RSS feed of a blog is usually the same for all readers of the blog.
          • mawise 952 days ago
            I didn't get that comment either. I've doubled-down on RSS for this purpose in my side-project Haven[1]. Write your own private blog, share it with people who can then subscribe with personal http-basic-auth RSS links (or view it on the web), and I've recently built in (still a WIP) a feed reader so you can create your own facebook-style news feed of anything on the web or things your friends write privately on their own Haven.

            [1]: https://havenweb.org

          • tablespoonsruby 952 days ago
            Maybe they mean that since there are many different feed readers a person could use, a blog can't have a "Click here to subscribe via RSS" link? Most feed readers will have a bookmarklet for 1-click subscribing, but the blog owner doesn't have the ability to make a prominent "call to action"-style button.
            • hopesthoughts 940 days ago
              Sure they can, well they can have a link that brings up the feed anyway. What the browser does with it is a different story, and that depends on whether RSS preview extensions are installed. Copying and pasting that URL wherever it needs to go isn't all that complicated.
        • epc 952 days ago
          Like OPML? http://opml.org/
          • diskzero 952 days ago
            OPML could be part of a solution for authoring blogs that then can publish using RSS. It is an interchange format for outline with attributed text.
            • epc 951 days ago
              Back in the old Web 2.0 days we used OPML files to publish and exchange blog rolls, Dave Winer even had a site you could log into and share, in a sort of social-networking way, your blog/RSS subscriptions via OPML.
    • adrianN 952 days ago
      The lack of central discovery is one of the main appeals of blogs imho. I don't want to discover blogs via a directory. I want to discover them through links from blogs I already read or recommendations from friends.

      I think blogs started dieing when they optimized for maximizing their audience instead of being locations where people write about stuff that interests them without an expectation of "making it".

      • kixiQu 952 days ago
        Handmade directories, like blogrolls, are a sweet spot IME: I keep mine at https://maya.land/blogroll.opml (human or machine-readable) and I've found a huge portion of what's on it via other people's recommendations.
      • eddieroger 952 days ago
        I actually think I would like a directory, because I fear the link-only propagation method would lead to echo chambers. But then how do you have a trustworthy directory, and how does it not also become an echo chamber. Reddit could almost be that, but clearly they don't have a handle on being not-an-echo-chamber yet.
    • mabub24 952 days ago
      > I've come to dread blogs and newsletters because so many of them are written by grind culture freaks who only write faux-insightful SEO'd content as a way to build an audience to sell snake oil to.

      My way around that is to pay. I find paid newsletters/blogs tend to evade SEO crap, for good reason: no one actually likes writing or reading that shit. Also, usually by forgoing the SEO crap they can focus on niche topics and content because they focus on retaining subscriptions.

      The subscription also allows the writers to be more human for lack of a better description. They actually use their voice when writing instead of the generic SEO salesman pep, and they feel more comfortable with offering their real opinions and views.

      • PragmaticPulp 952 days ago
        I’ve found the opposite: Switching to a paid/subscription model has ruined some of the writers I previously enjoyed.

        When they wrote for fun, not profit, the writings came out whenever they had something interesting enough to share. Now that it’s for-profit, the content is forced to come out faster and more frequently with posts that feel unnecessarily long to justify the cost. One author I previously enjoyed for well-researched topics that debunked popular opinions has been firing off un-researched posts with claims that can be debunked in 30 seconds of Googling.

        The topics feel like they’re being chosen to produce the most interesting teaser (to convince non-subscribers to subscribe) or SEO juice. It feels like the clickbait factor went way up overnight.

        Much of the magic of the past blogging era was that people were writing because they wanted to, not because they were fishing for clicks or subscriptions or pandering to future employers with every word. The move to paid takes some of that away.

    • ajsnigrutin 952 days ago
      SEO destroyed the cooking/recipe blogs.

      What was once a "Ingredients:" .... "Instructions:" ... "Tip: goes well with sour cream", is now a whole story, how the author woke up one day, when the were 7, and noticed they peed their bed, and then their mother came to check on them, and started cleaning the pee, and the dog was barking, and the dog also pooped that day, and there was wheel of fortune on tv, and a friend came over for a lunch, but they ordered pizza for lunch, and then there was a rerun of mission impossible on tv, and then daddy had a beer or five, and mommy made sandwiches, and those sanwiches remind the author of this chicken tikka masala recipe, that was converted to a non-spicy vegan variant.

    • shadowgovt 952 days ago
      I'm working on a hypothesis that there is something I call the "AM radio effect," which, roughly speaking, is "As communication technologies progress in comfort and convenience, the older generation will become dominated by hucksters who try to take advantage of those who cannot or will not switch." It's my explanation for

      - what happened to AM radio as FM, satellite, and podcasting came to dominate the American driving experience

      - what happened to landline telephone as point-to-point communication became dominated by cellphones, smartphones, and increasingly non-phone-voice-network audio and videoconferencing technologies

      I wouldn't be surprised if blogs suffer the same problem in the era of microblogging and centralized microblogging services.

      • PaulHoule 952 days ago
        What happened to landlines?

        What I witness was that innovation stopped. For instance landlines could have been upgraded to support text messaging (just as they use a modem to send caller ID they could use a modem to send and receive texts.) Cordless phones, answering machines and such could have all gotten better but they didn't.

        Most irksome, landlines don't support deliverability features such as STIR/SHAKEN so if you live in a place where cell phones don't work you might have trouble getting people to pick up when you ring them.

        That's different from AM radio which, driving across upstate NY, I came to the impression that the only program you could expect to get reliably was the Rush Limbaugh show. If you were lucky around sunset you might catch a black power show from Philadelphia...

        • shadowgovt 952 days ago
          > What happened to landlines

          The majority of incoming calls on landlines now are people trying to scam the callee. [https://www.inc.com/bill-murphy-jr/almost-half-your-phone-ca...]. And the majority of AM radio content now is low-audience long-tail content (or mass-commodified syndicated content, like Rush Limbaugh) that is a medium for pushing low-quality bulk advertising for questionable products.

          To expand upon the hypothesis (and this is half-baked and incomplete, so take it with several grains of salt): as technology evolves, people move to more comfortable / more convenient technology. AM is not comfortable or convenient; it's interfered with by too many EM flux sources in the modern world. Landline is not comfortable or convenient for the reasons you noted relative to modern alternatives.

          The people who do not move off these technologies are various flavors of captive audiences: people who can't buy FM radios or don't want to adopt new stations / find content in new locations, people who can't use a cellphone, etc. As mainstream content creation leaves these channels, the vacuum is taken over by hucksters trying to take advantage of these captive audiences. The incentives to do so are lack of alternative content and a "softer" target audience (easier to fool, especially since these technologies were once mainstream and trusted so many of their users still believe they are, even after the hucksters have taken them over). I have relatives who still believe "They wouldn't call me if they didn't have business with me; how would they know my number?" And I still have relatives who believe AM news radio is news.

          • PaulHoule 952 days ago
            I thought people got spam calls on cell phones too.
            • shadowgovt 952 days ago
              They do. I believe it's less common than landline spam right now, but more importantly: people see it less because modern smartphone (really, modern smartphone phone apps) have features to do aggregate spam-signal detection and sharing. A phone number that originates a lot of calls that people flag as "spam" eventually gets picked up in Google or Apple's top-level filter and preemptively flagged as "Probably spam" when they call other people.
    • Jugurtha 952 days ago
      I have installed a Chrome extension to remove certain "data science" blogs from my search results because they just dominate, but allow posts from practically anyone. I'm not interested in the teachings of a data virgin on machine learning.

      I have muted and blocked accounts on Twitter as well because of that: people clearly never having touched real data talking about ML projects, recommending libraries to manage lifecycle, etc. All that "audiencing" doesn't suit me, especially when it's clearly BS with no value, not even an entertainment value.

      • rchaud 952 days ago
        The UX/UI area is just as bad. It's nearly impossible to find authoritative discussions outside of conference slide decks, which aren't ideal for reading as standalone documents, as they only have bullet points.

        However there is no shortage of useless "app redesign" case studies from complete amateurs. And it's always the same ones too: Starbucks, Netflix, Snapchat, Instagram and Spotify.

        How about a public health website? Or a university application system? Or something "boring" that's much more realistic for a case study than a billion dollar corp's app?

        • Jugurtha 952 days ago
          It's one point I make whenever I get the chance to talk with students who ask me on how to work on portfolio to demonstrate skills. I tell them to try and solve a problem for real and make a product. They'll learn so much more than playing house. Databsases, the language, front-end, sales, getting users, killing hypotheses, product design, product management, prioritization, making tradeoffs, etc.
    • omegalulw 952 days ago
      > faux-insightful SEO'd content as a way to build an audience to sell snake oil to

      This cracked me up good lol. Btw, another big problem is people writing "blogs" as if they were experts without having expertise e.g. machine learning medium articles making wild unsubstantiated. It's so misleading, especially because ML is already not particularly rigorous due to black box models.

    • wibagusto 952 days ago
      The problem with social media sites is their algorithms are focused on profitability. If you follow a local restaurant and then move to another city they will push ads and show content tied to your geolocation (which makes sense—not saying that’s bad per se). But they dictate what you should see and when.

      With blogs it used to be about the RSS feed, which had one job: to nudge users when new content is available. But ultimately users (or news aggregators) had control over what the algorithm does.

      The problem with blogs as pointed out is content discovery. How can content be discoverable without commercial interests? Social media platforms make content discovery simple and effective. On top of that, the barrier to entry is low—a two or three step on boarding process which is free (as in beer) to-boot.

      Anyone know of good content-discovery platforms?

      Podcasts are interesting because multiple platforms support them so they exist somewhat in the borderland. Might be an interesting case study being podcast discover ability vs blogs vs social media.

      All that being said, I think we simply have to go beyond the first page of search engine results to find the good stuff. Not finding stuff is a form of laziness when we are used to getting a quick info-fix on Wikipedia. But standardized P2P protocols might be nice too—good incentive for a crypto currency?

    • coliveira 952 days ago
      You misunderstand blogs: you can find the good ones only by personal referral or by actively trying. If you have to search Google, then you'll, by definition, find only the ones that are optimizing for search engines. There is no way to solve this problem, and I think the same is true for other forms of social interaction.
    • FlyingSnake 952 days ago
      “Most books should have been an article, most articles should’ve been a tweet.”

      Blogging just for the sake of blogging is what caused their decline in the first place. If the blogpost can’t be easily understood within first few lines, it’s a wasted opportunity. The a reason Morgan House, Derek Sivers are still relevant.

      • hopesthoughts 940 days ago
        That's putting too much in Twitter. What if it disappears one day?
    • fallat 952 days ago
      I feel like web rings really resolved this issue.
      • hopesthoughts 940 days ago
        I wish web rings were more of a thing. I mean sure they exist, but they aren't universally used like they were 20 years ago.
    • schemescape 952 days ago
      I wish there was some way to "undo" my contribution to a site's advertising revenue when I start reading and discover the page is just SEO garbage (e.g. when I see a sentence that starts with "many reviewers noted that ...").
      • Nextgrid 952 days ago
        This is a “feature”. There’s so much content out there whose sole purpose is to drive advertising revenue, either with complicity of the brand being advertised or incidentally (as targeting is never 100% reliable, there’s always a bit of “leakage” where an ad would be displayed next to irrelevant or content that the advertiser would normally object to - at scale that leakage is money someone can capitalise on).

        A lot of people rightfully mention that we lack a proper micropayments system for the web and while that’s true, I don’t think it’s the only problem. A lot of people’s careers and companies are built on this parasitic model where they don’t actually provide any tangible value and only profit off leftover scraps, which wouldn’t be sustainable in a completely paid-for model because the end-user doesn’t actually get any value out of it and thus would never willingly pay money for this “service”.

        • FiggyPudding 952 days ago
          Some of these comments seem to support that LBRY thing that was on HN again recently if using it for blog docs instead of videos
      • coldpie 952 days ago
        Install an ad blocker and use direct payment to fund ethical business models.
    • cavalcade119 952 days ago
      I get the Thinking About Things newsletter [1], which focuses on sending out articles by lesser known blogs. I don't know how they do it but they seem to know about all the fascinating blogs before they make it big. It's been a great way to discover interesting but not sponsored, SEO'd-to-death content.

      [1] http://thinking-about-things.com/

    • mkr-hn 952 days ago
      I'm experimenting with a once every other month newsletter using Revue + the Twitter integration.[0] Tweeting is about the only way I've found to get views on stuff I write nowadays, and Twitter's analytics say I get tens to hundreds of profile views a month. Now there's a big signup button on there that pre-fills the email address.

      I have a theory that 99% of blog posts could fit in a tweet's worth of text or a short thread. Most things that need more length probably don't need SEO-friendly length (500+ words) and are better bundled up in a traditional newsletter. And the stuff that does need that length can just be the main part of the newsletter.

      [0] https://twitter.com/ViewfinderFox / https://newsletter.viewfinderfox.com/

    • goatkey 952 days ago
      I really enjoy The Browser[0] newsletter for this reason. They find very very good articles that often also end up on the front page of HN. I’ve found a lot of great new blogs / magazines this way. —- 0: https://thebrowser.com/
    • varrock 952 days ago
      I've always wanted to blog because I love to write. However, I've been very hesitant to do so because of exactly what you described: the grind culture. I've felt immense pressure to make every post academic, but I realized that the blog should be for me first and foremost. In fact, my first blog post ever is describing the purpose behind my blog and _why_ I started it. It will help keep me accountable.

      However — I do wonder about this hypothetical: my blog (for whatever reason) blows up. Would I start to feel pressure to deliver content that starts trending towards "grind culture"? Or would I still be able to blog _for me_? I'm sure this is what some other content creators have faced before, especially in the YouTube community. If anybody has had this experience, I'd be curious to hear what you did.

      • mattlutze 952 days ago
        If you'd like to blog and write, maybe just write for yourself, don't put any trackers on it, don't put any ads on it.

        The grind culture thing comes from people trying to make money off of their blogs. So, don't do it for the money :)

        If you get to a point where your hosting provider comes knocking because you're generating too much traffic, you'll have a good inflection point to determine if there's some way to get the blog to pay for its own hosting without you having to change your approach (tip services are cool for this).

        • ikr678 952 days ago
          Unfortunately, if you are quietly producing quality text content on a topic and not monetising it, someone else will steal it.

          I've seen this a few times in very non-technical domains, eg Fishing hardware and ceramic glazing. https://www.alanhawk.com/reviews/reviews.html has frequently had content stolen and republished on seo gamed listicle sites or used verbatim in youtube videos.

      • weird-eye-issue 952 days ago
        This is some serious premature optimization you are doing.

        The fact is nobody is going to read your blog post about why you are starting a blog, so you are basically just writing it for yourself. Which is fine - but you need to be aware that if you are writing for yourself there is basically a 0% chance your blog will ever get any amount of traffic.

        So keep writing for yourself and leave it at that but don't stress about problems you aren't going to have and calling yourself a content creator

        • varrock 952 days ago
          I understand, which is why I mentioned it being a hypothetical. Maybe I shouldn't have used myself as an example. It's not something I'm worried about. I've only shared the blog with close friends. That's my intention moving forward.
      • _dwt 952 days ago
        From experience, no, but your 5th-least-favorite post may somehow make it to the front page of HN over many more interesting ones, where it will be nitpicked to death by some guy who thinks the solution to the world's problems is XSLT. That can be a tad demotivating.

        The content marketing / grind thing - as far as I can tell, those people are born (decanted?) that way. It's a whole other value system.

    • dfxm12 952 days ago
      only write faux-insightful SEO'd content as a way to build an audience to sell snake oil to.

      I really wonder, is the money from ads good enough that publishing content like this profitable, even with all the blogspam competition?

      • pixelgeek 952 days ago
        Given how many sites there are that do it I would say 'yes'.
    • wyclif 952 days ago
      I was disappointed that the author never mentioned ownership. A lot of the problems discussed there are caused by not owning your own content. It's still super easy to register a domain and roll your own content using Ghost, Hugo, or 11ty.
    • hammyhavoc 952 days ago
      I don't even think a good chunk of what's at the top of HN is anything other than "SEO'd content". The quality is definitely diminishing in recent months.
    • sysadm1n 952 days ago
      > Being on the top of Google is an attractive proposition because it means many eyeballs and lots of ad revenue

      Hence the proliferation of 'splogs' or Spam-Blogs. Also in terms of social media, most people who experience a viral blogpost that spreads like wildfire throughout the net, invariably try to recreate that past success. It's the sole motivation of clickbait and sensationalist articles. More eyeballs, more AD revenue and also fake Internet Points in general to be had.

    • ashtonkem 951 days ago
      The number of blogs that try and stretch out a simple “how much <X> is <good/bad/enough>“ into a few hundred words by defining every <explicative deleted> term is infuriating. Just tell me the number already! I know what all the terms mean, I just forgot what the right number is!

      SEO content farming is really destroying the web.

    • hopesthoughts 940 days ago
      I've been personal blogging since 2003, and I still do so, although a lot shorter form these days. Not everyone blogs just for SEO purposes, I couldn't care any less about SEO. In fact, I don't even pay attention to analytics.
    • cratermoon 952 days ago
      Or, with a slight rewording:

      > I've come to dread the internet and social media because so many of is written by grind culture freaks who only write faux-insightful SEO'd content as a way to build an audience to sell snake oil.

      It's the nature of the attention economy and ubiquitous ad tech.

    • wibblewobble123 952 days ago
      Your comment shows you didn’t read the page fully. I miss when people had time to read a whole page.

      The author already wrote about blogs that are trying to get views with various tactics vs old proper blogs that were just people rambling about their quirky interests or bad day.

    • dude4you 952 days ago
      What are your interests? I know a shitload of good blocks.
    • anovikov 952 days ago
      Isn't this the whole people of blogs today? "Write something Google bot will like reading"
      • dsr_ 952 days ago
        You're taking a tool -- a chef's knife -- and telling us that the point of it is to open packages from Amazon.

        Sure, you can do that. It will even work for that. But the tool has many, many more uses than that.

        • AA-BA-94-2A-56 952 days ago
          This isn’t it at all.

          The blogs are in a race to the bottom in terms of quality because there is huge incentive to write for long-tail SEO rather than humans.

          This is a lot closer to tragedy of the commons.

          • dsr_ 951 days ago
            The tragedy of the commons would be people chewing up a limited resource in a way that prevents other people from doing better things with it.

            What is the common resource that you think is being used up?

            If it's the brainpower of the people writing SEO blogs, it doesn't prevent other people using their own brains.

            If you think they are polluting the infosphere with crap, I can't really argue with that, but I can point out that it's generally ignorable and self-curing: when you don't make money at it, you stop.

            So if anything, it resembles a late-stage ponzi where people aren't paying in much but are getting nothing back.

    • kasbah 952 days ago
      Metafilter and some hand-selected sub-reddits may fill that need for non-tech fields.
    • kowalevski 952 days ago
      btw does anyone have invite to lobste.rs? i have technical blog (not great but i try to improve it) and i'd like to share content on lobsters to have feedback.
      • ngngngng 952 days ago
        I'm new to this, but looks like you need to start in their irc chat and get to know people to receive an invite. #lobsters libera
  • veidr 952 days ago
    Yeah blogs are still here, BUT: (like email (sob) and telephone-calling (hooray)) a lot of people that once did blog don't anymore.

    Not in the "I had kids so my blog went dark for a few years" sense, but in the sense of "ooh twitter was invented and now I just emit a halfassed one-sentence brainfart or 5-second tiktok cellphone video and get way more dopamine hits".

    I've been reading blogs and perusing my self-curated NetNewsWire RSS feeds for 20+ years, and blogs never went away, RSS never died, Google Reader getting googled didn't really matter, etc.

    And there are probably technically more blogs now than ever before.

    But still, the blog kinda died, in the sense that it would be a lot more surprising to learn your friend's 80-year-old grandma has a blog today than it would have been in 2011.

    It went from an increasingly-mainstream thing to a decreasingly-mainstream thing.

    • BiteCode_dev 952 days ago
      Yes, I think is a need for some platform that provides blog+microblog on your domain, and that automatically forwards the content to social platforms so that you get the best of both worlds:

      1 - owning your blog is too big of a barrier of entry, there is a need for a platform: look at the success at medium for tech writers, despite that we hate it.

      2 - we need the return of the domain name based blog. This helps with independence, censorship, and the like. You can always move from the platform, and the platform can claim they can't censor you since it's your domain, so DMCA should be sent to you directly.

      3 - this platform should do blog + microblog. You don't always have something long to say, announcement, though and quick tips are very well suited to tweets. But only this format leads to quality deficiency. Being able to write a big article easily is equally important.

      4 - forwarding all posts to your social networks is essential. Yes, your blog should be the original source (so you get ref, credit, independence and not the duplicate content ban from google). But the discovery problem cannot be solved easily, and those networks already exist.

      EDIT: unrelated, but I love phone calls. I mean, I hate doing them, but I love having the ability to do them. It's a universal reliable tech, it works in the country side, it works when the wifi is down, it works well in the car, and I don't have to have the app du jour installed or insist that the other party does.

      • pixelgeek 952 days ago
        > forwarding all posts to your social networks is essential.

        I've been talking to businesses for years about this same thing. Using a blog as a way to broadcast to social media but keep the blog/site as the main source of information for your audience.

        And it never works because it is far too simple to just use social media directly and even if you don't, your audience still comments on social media and so your discussion remains there.

        • BiteCode_dev 952 days ago
          > your audience still comments on social media and so your discussion remains there.

          Discussion should remain on social media. This avoids the problems of moderation and spam that plagued blogs.

          > it is far too simple to just use social media directly

          Yes to succeed the blog platform should be super easy to setup and to link.

          There are benefits that can then attract people:

          - if you have several social accounts, on the same or different platforms, then having a centralized way of publishing on all of them is a nice perk

          - social media platform impose a lot of rules, but on your blog, you can do whatever you want. So for problematic content, you can tease on social networks, and bring people on your blog for the real uncensored thing.

          - the source of truth that the blog would be is a fine touch in this era of fake news

          - you can add paid sections to the blog and make money directly with your biggest fans

          • pixelgeek 952 days ago
            I got distracted by all of the other great comments on this thread and made a mess of my point.

            What I was trying to say is that I think that ultimately social media will eat your traffic and blog. I think that the peril of using social media to promote your own content is that you will ultimately depend on social media.

            I think that the best route to take is to find a way to promote your content without it.

            • BiteCode_dev 952 days ago
              It's possible, but the alternative is to depend on google for traffic, which is an abusive relationship at this point.

              At least if you have are on several platform, there are multiple entre points for your content. And your blog would allow you to offer things that the platform don't, like code snippets, easy media download, or something more innovative.

          • BlueTemplar 952 days ago
            > but on your blog, you can do whatever you want

            Not if it's on a platform - see part 2 of GP's ramblings.

            • BiteCode_dev 952 days ago
              With your own domain name and branding, maybe we can play a different game provided the platform is willing to forward complaints to the user and step back.

              After all, I'm responsible for my vps content, not my hosting. What's the difference ?

      • SPBS 952 days ago
        > look at the success at medium for tech writers

        I feel like medium doesn't even care about tech writers -- don't people still have to host github gists for code snippets? The biggest middle finger to tech bloggers, and yet they keep flocking to the platform.

      • veidr 952 days ago
        I do think the ability to do phone calls is waning, though.

        I've made 4 phone calls this year: to a buddy, to my wife, to an old friend, and to my fax/voicemail provider (JConnect) which decided to terminate voicemail service on the phone number I've used since the 1990s. (So I may be part of the problem I am describing — that number didn't ring any device, it only accepted voice messages and faxes, which it forwarded to me via email.)

        Of those 4 phone 2021 phone calls:

        1.) My buddy no longer has voicemail on his phone, and a recording just told me he was not available and to try again later. (Head kinda exploded.)

        2.) My wife also no longer has voicemail! How tf did that happen? No idea but it was 2 months after the above call so I was less surprised.

        3.) My old friend is old-school (hence the phone call), and still does have voicemail — but it was full. I assume because he never checks it.

        4.) JConnect support's touch-tone B.S. support system did disconnect me a couple of times, requiring that I call them back... but it did eventually connect me to a support rep who helped me cancel my account. But: only because they are the kind of asshole company that engages in the common-but-should-be-illegal practice of letting you sign up on the web but only cancel by phone, as a method of retaining "customers" who no longer want their product.

        So n=1 sample, might not be typical, etc. but I suspect the phone is getting less universal and less reliable over time.

        • handrous 952 days ago
          Spam's ruined phone calls, like it ruined email. No coincidence those are the two worst ways to reach me. Email's almost exclusively for receiving messages that I'm expecting from machines, now (password reset, order confirmation, whatever). It's not even any good for unexpected notices from machines, let alone communication with humans. Sure, I could migrate to another address and it'd be more usable for a while, or I could spend a Saturday crafting rules to fix my inbox, but why bother? 99% of what I care about comes in via WhatsApp or (less often) text.

          [EDIT] Except for work. My work email is still sorta useful. But in part that's because it's much newer. It's also getting more and more junked up with garbage, without active management and rule-setting.

        • saurik 952 days ago
          Is there anything that is getting more universal/reliable? (God it isn't Twitter, is it? I hope not.)
          • marcosdumay 952 days ago
            Those people are probably all accessible through some messaging app. But "universal" and "reliable" aren't the correct names for that.

            Twitter is getting more and more universal, but reliable does not apply.

            I guess no, we are living through a breaking of communications.

        • orndorffgrant 952 days ago
          You should tell your old school friend that their voicemail is full. At least with my carrier, I can only have like ~20 voicemails sitting around. I listen to every voicemail I get but my voicemail inbox filled up and I didn't realize it was full for years (there was no notification or anything). To make space I had to actively go delete voicemails. Of course, deleting them just sent them to a "deleted" folder, which I had to go clear as well.
          • buildsjets 952 days ago
            You should realize that some people intentionally allow or cause their voicemail to fill so that callers can't leave additional messages.

            I certainly do. I have no intention of EVER checking my voicemail, so why would I want to leave callers with a false impression that their message will be heard?

            • hopesthoughts 940 days ago
              I do this myself, but I have one person who insists on leaving messages if she can't talk to me right that second.
        • distances 952 days ago
          I agree that phone calls are waning, but I don't personally see the connection to voice mails. I never liked the concept so I've never left a voice mail, nor have I ever enabled it for myself. In my opinion voice calls can only get better if answering machines and voice mails die out.
          • BlueTemplar 952 days ago
            Hmm, how do you deal with unknown numbers ?

            I never answer those on the first go - only if they left a voicemail or a text message...

            • distances 952 days ago
              I live in Germany and for whatever reason I have literally never received a spam call here. I can go months without receiving a single call these days. I'm not exactly sure if spam calls are not a thing here or if I've just been lucky. But yeah I see how that can lead to different preferences when it comes to voice mail.
      • tablespoonsruby 952 days ago
        blog+microblog on your domain, and that automatically forwards the content to social platforms

        Micro.blog does this!

        • BiteCode_dev 952 days ago
          Not really, it does not provide a blog feature, only a bridge.
          • tablespoonsruby 952 days ago
            It absolutely does provide a personal blog, you just have to pay $5/month.
            • BiteCode_dev 952 days ago
              I missed that, their offer tamk about wordpress.
    • capybara_2020 952 days ago
      There are more blogs out there today. But with a focus on SEO the quality of blogs has dropped.

      To meet some arbitrary SEO goal like, longer articles do better we have people filling in the top 1/3 with unneeded filler. Then we have companies trying to plug their product in a "10 best tools for X" article. Even if their product is crap for that feature, along with the content mills, the quality has dropped.

      • ypcx 952 days ago
        Yep, "SEO" killed the internet. As have "Accept Cookies" prompts, "Do you want notifications" prompts, "Subscribe to our newsletter" prompts and "Why are you leaving our page" prompts. Content farms, click-bot-like farms, fake-review farms. The free internet is dead.
    • floatingatoll 952 days ago
      Blogs were never mainstream when they were a healthy ecosystem. Before search engines, the only real way to find new blogs was to follow links from other blogs — either people talking near each other, or webrings, or whatever. This was swell, and served as essentially a perfect defense against outside abuse. If we'd kept that model then we wouldn't really have trouble with spammers and scammers.

      Google downloaded all that curation effort and then claimed we didn't have to do it anymore, and that we just need to "be indexed", but that opens the door for spammers and scammers, and there's no fix for it. Without curation, blogs are no better than strangers on a street corner.

      I think the only way to restore the health of the blog ecosystem is to go back to webrings, except with an RSS accumulator added^, so that we can follow everyone in a webring and report abuse to the webring curators.

      ^ OPML subscriptions would be a workable model, except that many feed readers only support "import OPML one-time", not "poll and refresh".

      EDIT: It isn't sufficient to implement RSS or OPML support. The missing piece is webrings that curate their membership lists, with a human sanity limit of 25 or 50 sites per webring. That was a real limit back in the day, but it's still worth keeping to keep humans honest. You can't replace this effort with technology, but you can support it. We just choose not to, because search is lazy and somewhat effective, and so blogs suffer.

    • slightwinder 952 days ago
      > Not in the "I had kids so my blog went dark for a few years" sense, but in the sense of "ooh twitter was invented and now I just emit a halfassed one-sentence brainfart or 5-second tiktok cellphone video and get way more dopamine hits".

      Most blog-entries were never much more than that anyway, especially since the free blog-services started appearing and setting up a blog was effortless. There is a reason why Twitter were named micro-blogging-service in the beginning. And the other side was blogging being a primitive form of social network, till better social networks appeared. So it made sense for people who were more interested in the social aspect to moved to the optimized services.

      > I've been reading blogs and perusing my self-curated NetNewsWire RSS feeds for 20+ years, and blogs never went away, RSS never died, Google Reader getting googled didn't really matter, etc.

      In both cases, the hype died down, and was replaced by other hypes. The remaining people use them now for the dedicated reasons where both can shine their best. But the danger remains that loosing support will long term lead to them dying for real. In case of RSS it's already happening slowly. Though blogs are more resistant to this, as your blogging does not depend much on external support, as long as you do not care about money or reader-stats.

      • JohnL4 951 days ago
        I have a blog, which is

        (a) Basically just a bunch of glorified retweets, but (b) Free of the moronic 280-character limit, and (c) Immune to Twitter's moronic "jail" algorithm (all I have to do is delete the IFTTT tweet, not my "blog post")

        And I think that's fine. And, yes, I do have opinions on the moronicity of Twitter, how did you know?

      • fsckboy 952 days ago
        > now I just emit a halfassed one-sentence brainfart

        or worse, a 10/ sequential message "magnum tweetus"

    • d3nj4l 952 days ago
      Yes - and all the people the author remembers with nostalgia are probably on Twitter now, doing more or less the same thing but with worse quality overall. Twitter gets a bad rap because of the hive mind (and it deserves every bit of that reputation), but there are tons of just normal people on there talking about their lives. In a way, Twitter made blogging much more accessible - most people couldn't sit down and write a 500-1000 word post, even one or two a year, but they can tweet every detail about their day, their projects, what they're thinking about and so on.

      Of course, it's not the same as a blog. I think the length "requirement" of a blog made it so only people with the time, dedication and skills (or lack of self-awareness) would keep them going, so if you were reading an established blog a bit of selection bias was at play. On Twitter you can tweet garbage day in day out and still be on the platform for years. Heck, you'd probably gain a significant following.

      I might be coming off as a Twitter fan or something but just to be clear: the site is cancer. It's impossible to stay on for longer than a year and not have your brain melt off by how it works, and they're becoming more and more closed and restrictive by the day. It's a shame because there's clearly something about the site that interests a mass audience, but I wish there was a service that was like Twitter but better. I know Mastodon exists but outside specific niche audiences it's never gained traction, but I hope it does take off eventually.

      Maybe the same applies to Facebook/Instagram/Other major social media provider as well, but I don't have any experience with platforms outside Twitter and Reddit so I couldn't say.

      Edit to expand on something: I mentioned that Twitter is interesting to mass audiences, and that's actually more important than you'd think. Speaking personally, before I went on twitter, I don't think I'd ever consistently read content posted by women. It's a natural result of being in a male-dominated industry and following male-dominated interests. On Twitter, though, because there were so many people of all walks of life I quickly followed a lot of interesting women who posted great content: women who were activists, historians, academics, homemakers and so on. That really was why I stuck around for so long on Twitter despite how awful the site is, and why I think any serious contender has to appeal to the normies, so to speak.

    • nabla9 952 days ago
      (Notice how HN content has huge number of links to blogs).

      Best thing about blogs at the beginning was that they were not mainstream. They were specialized and interesting.

      When they were mainstream in the internet only short period between internet becoming mainstream and social networks and platforms gaining popularity.

      Today blogs are back in the golden age of not being mainstream. It's easier to find quality content by following them and their links to other blogs.

    • stared 952 days ago
      Setting a blog is easier than ever: Medium has a close to zero barrier of entry. With all its criticism here, it helped many people start blogging in the first place.

      I don't know if bloggers turned to Twitter, TikTok, and similar goldfish attention span media. (Maybe. I don't have data.)

      I think it is more likely that high-quality blog posts drown in the sea of tweets. More people do the latter, and the cost of doing a single one is orders of magnitude lower than writing even an average-quality blog post.

      • diskzero 952 days ago
        I agree with the ease of use, but I won't author or read Medium articles anymore. I am sure Medium feels that it is providing a valuable service by providing a platform for authors to monetize their content. I would prefer to pay an author directly and have no desire to support a service that sits between me and the content provider.

        I realize I am being utopian, but providing a facility like Medium that uses open standards, allows bloggers to blog and doesn't skim profits should be a public service.

    • conductr 952 days ago
      I’d agree but from a different perspective. I never used RSS and didn’t care about following any particular blogger. However, blogs were a constant top hits for successfully getting answers/info on things I was searching for. I would see the same blog as my search on a topic expanded. Eg, I recall learning rails back around v0.7 and there was not many docs around and only a few bloggers. I didn’t care about the rest of their blogs, but when I saw theirblog.com in my search results, I knew they had authority on the matter.

      The platform effect means there’s just less quality content and it’s more difficult to surface.

  • susam 952 days ago
    Well, blogs are still very much there. I began blogging in 2006 and I still continue to write blog posts, mostly to take notes, share my thoughts, etc. I still follow my favourite bloggers via RSS feeds. I don't think the culture of blogging ever went away. The blogosphere along with its tag clouds are still very much there.

    I think what has changed in the last two decades or so is that a lot of new users have come on the Internet and this new generation of users spend most of their time in walled gardens thereby making the bloggers look like a small minority.

    • vlkr 952 days ago
      I think many (personal) blogs were killed by social media. You don't blog about your last weekend anymore, you just post some pictures on instagram or in your whatsapp groups.
      • kajaktum 952 days ago
        Killed or just appear pale in comparison? How many traffics were there for blogs in before 2010? Its not like people suddenly don't have anything interesting to share.
      • bserge 952 days ago
        You also post a 2500 word article on Twitter, apparently.
      • giansegato 952 days ago
        Which means - whether we like it or no - that social media were and are superior products when it comes to this specific use case, otherwise people won't be using it.
        • elliekelly 952 days ago
          Inferior products prevail all the time. The free market is far from perfect. Especially when one product exploits negative externalities.
          • giansegato 952 days ago
            I don't think our average Carl will use a blog instead of Instagram to share his thoughts.

            Yes, inferior products prevail from time to time, especially when those negative externalities you mention help consolidate a dominant position.

            But social networks do not charge money. People are free to open as many blogs as they want. If they didn't when they were raging in the early 2000s there must a reason.

            Reality is complex, especially human motivations. But to argue that blogs are a superior for the mainstream public to share themselves to an audience is a bit intellectually unfair.

            Like... distribution?

          • tharne 952 days ago
            > Inferior products prevail all the time. The free market is far from perfect. Especially when one product exploits negative externalities.

            Exhibit A being the QWERTY keyboard most of us are typing on right now.

        • orhmeh09 952 days ago
          Only if you think within the structures of a particular ideology based on the notions that people are rational actors and that the market produces the most effective solutions for any given use case.
        • Dudeman112 952 days ago
          What do you mean by "superior product"?
          • piaste 952 days ago
            They fulfill the same desire with less effort.

            Most people didn't blog in order to produce great art or advance human knowledge. Those who did, they tend to still blog.

            But most regular Joe bloggers just wanted to share ideas or experiences with other people, connect with them, and hear _their_ ideas and experiences. Writing a 500-word blog post was just the means to start a chat in the comments section. For them, Facebook or Twitter do it better.

            I remember when Tumblr started (it didn't have a specific culture yet). Some of my blogging friends opened a Tumblr just to share links and pictures, and kept to WordPress for long-form posts. Eventually, they quickly started spending more times in link exchanging and commenting on Tumblr than on WP.

  • solarengineer 952 days ago
    How do you all discover blogs?

    I used to discover blogs via the Yahoo Directory, blog rolls (where we mention others' blogs as external links to follow up), Live Journal's listing, and cross-referencing of blog posts. Google search used to surface blog posts too.

    Now it's all on Medium - where I don't grudge those who want reliable hosting+discoverability and want to get paid for content, and where Medium charges for this. But I dislike that the content is "locked up" at Medium. I don't quite know how to explain this dislike, and I welcome any points of view that might help make this dislike go away.

    • Lex-2008 952 days ago
      probably worth mentioning this HN thread: "Ask HN: Favorite Blogs by Individuals?" with 273 comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=27302195
    • nxpnsv 952 days ago
      I have discovered many blogs reading HN...
      • s_dev 952 days ago
        Yeah -- off the top of my head:

        danluu.com, plover.com, ciechanow.ski, essays by pg and many others have very high quality writing and are insightful.

        I don't accept there is a shortage of blogs.

        • flybrand 952 days ago
          I’ve got one topic that gets a lot of referral traffic, and then people follow the other more rambling personal stories. Twitter and YouTube drive a lot of traffic too.
          • manuelmoreale 952 days ago
            I had the same experience. Have a few very popular posts that rank quite high even on Google (with absolutely no SEO bullshit done to them) but they represent maybe 5% of what I wrote about.

            People find me through those posts and end up sticky around for the more personal/rambly stuff.

        • ant6n 952 days ago
          there's a shortage of blog reading, meaning theres less of an incentive to write.
    • azhenley 952 days ago
      I find blogs by periodically asking my friends for suggestions. I recently made my list of favorites:

      https://web.eecs.utk.edu/~azh/blog/favblogs.html

    • Tomte 952 days ago
      From other blogs. People link to other blogs all the time, and every few weeks I find a gem this way.
    • JacksonGariety 952 days ago
      Check out my blog: https://hegelsbagels.net/
    • chenmike 952 days ago
      I don't think you have to justify or challenge your dislike for Medium. It's pretty reader-hostile. I get why authors write on it but I personally click away every time I get hit with the paywall.
    • SuoDuanDao 952 days ago
      typically in the comments sections of other blogs, when someone links them. Slatestarcodex, Ecosophia, and Charles Eisenstein are my current favourites.
    • quakkels2 952 days ago
      I like to start with a blog I already know and like, and then I use a tool I built to spider the RSS feed to find links to sites that also have RSS feeds. I figure that if I find a blog interesting, they'll probably link to other blogs that I'll find interesting. The tool is hosted on heroku: https://rdengine.herokuapp.com/ I give a rationale for it here: https://quakkels.com/posts/rss-is-wonderful/
  • fsflover 952 days ago
    Blogs are still there. Try search engines which discourage cluttered web design to find them: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28550764

    and

    https://wiby.me/

    • m-i-l 952 days ago
      You can also search personal websites on https://searchmysite.net/ - kind of like wiby.me, but searching whole sites rather than individual pages, a little more transparent about what is in the index (e.g. queries to list all indexed domains), and with a moderation layer.
      • tenkabuto 952 days ago
        For mobile users, I couldn't see the search form on the website until I enabled "Desktop Mode"/"Desktop site" in my mobile browser. Cool site and helpful!

        (I just emailed the site about this.)

        • tenkabuto 950 days ago
          The site owner has since fixed the issues that were making the search form get hidden on smaller screens. :) (The issue was fixed screen elements.)
    • mrweasel 952 days ago
      Both are very good for finding blogs about topics like diet, exercise, mindfulness and other topics which have been SEO’d to death on the major search engines.
    • hbn 952 days ago
      Wiby has been my new tab page for a few months now. Occasionally if I'm bored, i'll hit the "surprise me" button and dig into some weird obscure web page on a very specific topic. You can find some neat stuff!
    • hyperstar 952 days ago
      How long has wiby existed? Does it only show pages that have been submitted explicitly?
  • tinyprojects 952 days ago
    I've built a service that lets you create a micro-blog from a paper journal: https://paperwebsite.com/

    It's given me great joy just publishing my unfiltered thoughts on the internet straight from my pen, which sounds similar to the "unfocused blogs" the author was talking about.

    Perhaps in this highly edited, Instagram world we now live in - the raw, unedited nature of a blog is a bit more scary. I still love them though.

    Here's my blog if you're interested: https://daily.tinyprojects.dev/

  • pixelgeek 952 days ago
    Interesting that there has been no comment on the impact of social media on blogging. I had a blog to chronicle my gaming hobby for over a decade and I gave it up recently because the audience for that type of blog has disappeared.

    Most of the people that would read non-technical blogs have changed their browsing habits to mostly consume content on Facebook. Most commercial content has moved to social media. Forums have disappeared for the most part. My hobby, and I suspect a lot of hobbies, have moved on to social media. As an example, the local tabletop gaming community here at one point had four distinct forums and a large number of hobby blogs. All of that is now on Facebook.

    I think you can see the impact of that on the decline in Blogger support and Wordpress' move to include more tools and support for 'professional' bloggers. Wordpress is more and more a platform for those SEO huxsters.

    Blogs aren't going to come back to the internet until the audience for them comes back and that won't happen until social media, especially Facebook, is no longer capturing that audience.

    • polynomial 951 days ago
      I would only note that blogs originally didn't have an "audience" outside of the (then small) blogging community. The goal wasn't to amass followers or become an influencer, but just to share things you discovered and write about them in an interesting way, amongst a very small (certainly by modern web metrics) group of appreciative and like-minded people.
      • pixelgeek 950 days ago
        Which makes me wonder if the format is just conducive to a large audience model?
  • lincolnq 952 days ago
    In the last few months, for some reason, my (completely unmaintained) LinkedIn has started to top search results for my name -- over my regularly updated personal website and blog (at lincolnquirk.com) when you search for my name on Google. The same has happened with a friend of mine whose blog is far more popular than mine. It's incredibly frustrating.
    • criddell 952 days ago
      Why do you think that is? I'm thinking LinkedIn may be considered more authoritative or trustworthy than a personal blog. How is google to know that your blog is actually your blog?

      I've recently noticed more people writing on LinkedIn (which might just be my impression and not true) and I wonder if that's part of the reason?

      • pixelgeek 952 days ago
        I think that is part of a plan by LinkedIn to try to be more of a social platform
  • butterisgood 952 days ago
    I kind of miss the days when people had servers and ".plan" and ".project" files that folks could read via finger servers.

    We used them in college, but I guess folks would need shell accounts on unix systems to do that today?

    I miss lightweight internet stuff. Maybe gemini will bring some of that back?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gemini_(protocol)

    • Matthias1 952 days ago
      I know Gemini has encouraged me to start a blog.

      Of course it’s possible to blog over HTTP. (I mirror my gemlog to my website.) But it’s so much more enjoyable to write and browse in an ecosystem that’s designed for it.

      • koeng 952 days ago
        How do you mirror the gemlog to HTTP? I've found a lot of methods for like active proxies, but I'd really like something that could create a static site from my gem text files.
    • moogly 951 days ago
      Back in the mid-to-late 90s when it was (somewhat) popular for game developers to use .plan files, there were some gaming news sites like Shacknews and Blues News aggregating that content for you.

      These were definitely proto-blogs.

    • JohnL4 951 days ago
      .plan:

      None of your business. Go away. You have mail.

  • stevoski 952 days ago
    I have a feeling the author of this post wasn’t an active blogger themselves when the heyday of personal blogs ended. I blogged actively from 2008 to about 2015. Through some luck, I had a good sized audience right from the beginning.

    Sometime around 2012 or 2013, the amount of time the average person spent on social media got high enough that it became their default time sink. People simply stopped interacting with personal blogs in the way they used to.

    Writing blog posts every couple of days was fun when every new post would get a few comments from regular readers. But quite rapidly those comments simply stopped, and instead almost every comment was blog spam.

    In my opinion, it had nothing to do with the blogging platforms, and everything to do with the rise of social media.

  • Brajeshwar 952 days ago
    I was lucky to be part of the early blog sunrise around 2000. I was even more lucky to have a blog that was picked up, recognized by the likes of Macromedia, Adobe, and linked by a lot others. I believe there are a few references from few entries in Wikipedia and few other well known websites.

    When Google Adsense was a thing and fun, I had it running on my site for quite a long time. There was a time when I supported my Startup with the income from my blog. A few of my years in Mumbai was just living off of the income from my blog.

    20+ years now, I just have my blog as a record and archive for all the fun, stupid, silly, and nonsense that I wrote. Now, I write for myself and perhaps for my kids to browse around in future and, may, laugh. I have no comments, no analytics, nothing at all now.

    I can understand the new generations loathing the likes of Blogs, Emails. However, I look at them as a digital record of my life.

    For instance, I stumble on people online and then I reply back to the email thread we had in 2005. How nice is that?

  • WhompingWindows 952 days ago
    I think the internet evolved around and past blogs. They still exist, but much more entertaining forms of content, which use a lot more data and tech to host, have come to dominate. Think of the percentage internet mind-share web blogs had in 1995 vs. 2021, this seems to be mostly what folks are nostalgic for. Now there are hundreds of online news sources, hundreds of forums and games and billions of hours of video content.

    The old Internet, the way it used to be, will survive in its niche, but we can't kid ourselves that 99% of people want to read technical blogs.

    And even so, while I'm in that 1%, I find blogs overly simplistic, too focused on self-help, DIY, end your procrastination, here's why my chosen tool/kit/library is the best -- these are profoundly uninteresting. Every time a Paul Graham post rockets to the top of HN, I roll my eyes. Out of all the writing and profundity of the history of civilization, this is what we worship?

  • athenot 952 days ago
    The way I see it, it's a bit like photography, which started as an expensive hobby, then got more and more mainstream with film processing shops all over the place. Then digital photography entered, first as low quality then with rivaling quality. Anybody who wants can now take high quality pictures, and almost everyone will occasionally produce a stunning photo; yet not everyone is a photographer. And that's ok.

    As the internet grew, blogging became a popular format to write long form and publish it. There was a golden window where search was still new and hadn't yet been gamified, and before the platforms providing what veidr here called quick dopamine hits[1].

    Seeing blogging expand and at the same time be instantly searchable was great... but didn't last.

    Eventually a whole group of users wanted the benefits of exposure of their thoughts & content, without the hassle of writing long form. And I would say, for those users, social media is indeed the perfect medium. Those who do write in long form can still do so, it's just that discoverability has somewhat taken a step back.

    I contend that it's not a huge deal, as a long form fosters a more thoughtful pace instead of rewarding instant gratification. Links between blogs do help with discoverability, it just that it's an organic process that takes time. Of course, the upside is once a blog is discovered, one can easily go back and read the previous articles.

    [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28592479

  • tarkin2 952 days ago
    There's medium. But medium is a horrible mess. There's Dev.to which is at least usable and something I will visit.

    There's a couple of problems with blogs.

    - Sometimes I only want to subscribe to an author's certain topics

    - There's still no good RSS reader; I use feedly, but its load-time puts me off it big time (I've tried plenty of others)

    - The tendency to sign up for walled garden platforms rather than platforms, or simply use normal websites, that federate well

    - The practical death of web rings for discoverability

    I've been thinking about the last point more: I don't really want to submit to a search engine's algorithm; I want someone's curated recommendations.

    Once I've have those curated recommendations I want something that lets me aggregate and interact.

  • DoreenMichele 952 days ago
    Blogger has not been shut down:

    https://www.techrolet.com/2021/06/why-google-will-not-shut-d...

    I blog. Here's a view from the other side:

    It's nigh impossible to make money blogging. People hate every means that exists to monetize it.

    People hate ads. People hate SEO content with affiliate links. People hate content paid for via a content mill. Etc.

    If you do something original, they accuse you of being a shill or making things up etc and few people leave tips or kick in a few bucks via Patreon.

    You want to see more blog writing from original voices?

    Be willing to tip or support Patreon if they are looking to monetize it. Good writing takes time and practice and if you aren't willing to pay people, eh, quit your bitching. Wanting good writing for free is an expectation of slave labor.

    Don't be a creeper. There have been far too many people whose interest in my writing is lurid, overly personal and unhealthy. It's impacted me, my life and my writing and mostly not in a good way.

    Share the blog writing you think is good. Repost it somewhere. It's extremely hard to self promote. Many places have rules against that or which strictly limit it. Even where it is allowed, people act all judgy if you are self promoting. It has more credibility if someone else promotes your work.

    Engage constructively. Comments or reader interaction is enormously important for fueling the mind's ability to figure out what to say next on the topic. (Don't use this as an excuse to be mean and then claim "You asked for feedback!")

    I have no plans to engage with anyone who decides this comment somehow constitutes an invitation to be attacked, insulted and told how I'm somehow doing something wrong and it's my fault I can't make this work.

    It's not my fault. This is just one of those things where the world is currently broken and most writers are making a pittance.

  • raspyberr 952 days ago
    Like everyone else responding, I think there's so so many blogs and personal sites around. Once you start looking and actually exploring the internet you'll find plenty. There's been a bit of resurgency with "indie web", digital gardens, etc. If anything there's probably more blogs now than there were before.
    • krapp 952 days ago
      > If anything there's probably more blogs now than there were before

      There's more everything than there was before. Despite popular opinion, the rest of the web didn't shrivel up and die when Twitter, Facebook and Youtube got popular.

      • agent008t 952 days ago
        Do you have any evidence for that? The message boards/blogs that I frequented a decade ago are all either gone or are a lot less active than they were before, and certainly have a lot fewer users. So it's not just activity per user that has gone way down, but the number of users as well.
        • mkr-hn 952 days ago
          Discord killed off a lot of forums that survived Reddit. This is especially true for forums where chat threads were the most active.
  • asicsp 952 days ago
    Previous discussion: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23205588 (May 16, 2020, 614 comments)
    • SPBS 952 days ago
      The top comment:

      > You'll check the analytics. Abysmal. Nobody is reading!

      > You may write a few more posts, but it's always the same story. A lot of work goes in, but not much comes out.

      I never understood this sentiment. Who cares if no one is reading? You blog because you have something to express on the internet, not because you're seeking attention from others. Content creation for the sole purpose of views is incredibly superficial.

      • marginalia_nu 952 days ago
        I do think there's a middle road. I do indeed think it's incredibly toxic to write for the reactions, but at the same time, it's extremely lonely to find your only readers are the bots that probe for compromised wordpress installs.

        It's great to have a community of sorts. I've found that in gemini space, there's a small number of active bloggers that run in the same circles and occasionally make replies on each posts they feel interesting (because almost virtually all pages are static, almost no comment fields).

        It's not so much about the attention as it is about the sense of community and belonging.

      • dvdkon 952 days ago
        The goal might not be to maximise "views", but if nobody reads it, why bother? No need to be popular by whatever metrics, but with no readers you might just not publish at all. (Unless you see writing itself as valuable in itself.)
        • krapp 952 days ago
          The vast majority of blogs during the "golden age" of blogging went almost entirely, if not entirely, unread. In hindsight, I don't know why people bothered, but they did. I blogged on my own domain for years and I don't think anyone read any of it, but I still enjoyed it.

          Of course a lot of blogs were hosted on services like Blogger or Livejournal (which I also had,) and being able to create networks and friend/interest groups definitely increased visibility, but even then most things went unread and uncommented on.

      • fjfaase 952 days ago
        I totally agree. I have been writing on the internet since 1995 and I do not care about the number of visitors, because I primarily write due my urge to write and record my life. Most of what I write is just trivia about what I did. It primarily serves as my memory and it is interesting to look back on what I did a few years ago.
      • foxfluff 952 days ago
        Maybe views are not the sole purpose, but isn't it a bit depressing to think that no-one ever reads or cares about what you put up? Surely you want someone to witness that expression and perhaps even engage with it.
      • tlarkworthy 952 days ago
        my kids should "dad, look at me" before they do anything. the desire for external validation runs deep. If no-one hears a tree falling, does it make a sound?
      • user-the-name 952 days ago
        Why would you write, if not for other people? Unless you are just taking notes, that is the entire point of writing: To present your thoughts or knowledge to other people.
  • derekzhouzhen 952 days ago
    No, blogs are still here. The casual blog readers are gone.

    Now there are a thousand good static site generators and free hosting in github page, vercel and netlify, publishing a blog has never been easier, at least for the people dare to call themselves hackers.

    However, the mass has moved on to social media to sink their idle time. The question every blogger should ask themselves should be:

    Am I writing because I have something to say, or just to sound important to people I don't even care about?

  • fleddr 952 days ago
    Blogging will not return to its former glory when you think it's a blogging platform problem. It has absolutely nothing to do with the product.

    What happened is mobile. People consume the vast majority of digital content via their phone, therefore short form content wins. Tweets and 5 second videos, not lectures. Besides the content being short form, "engagement content" wins. Say something stupid, controversial, rude...you win. You'll get seen. Your reasonable and balanced take....crickets.

    The other thing that happened is that the internet got a lot more crowded. Which basically means that everything gets gamed. All eye balls on 0.001% of content and no eye balls on 99.999% of other content creators.

    Even in what little remains of blogging, everything is gamed. Have a look at blogging platform Medium. Every single category and topic is spammed with low effort garbage, burying genuine and more serious authors. The genuine reader can no longer find their jewels, and the genuine author considers it all pointless now.

    No blogging platform can fix any of the above problems.

  • q-base 952 days ago
    I used to love photo-blogs. Not just single images like IG and the like, but just random photo-blogs where the people who took the pictures share a bit of thoughts/stories behind the pictures no matter how trivial. My biggest inspiration back in the day was probably Jon Olsson before he started video blogging instead.

    So I have started doing so myself and really enjoy the process of putting them together and sharing just because it is the kind of content I like to consume myself.

    If any of you have good recommendations on photo-blogs then please let me know. I will sure try some of the search-engines and discovery tools shared in this thread already.

    And for shameless self-promotion here is a link to where I will post going forward: https://jesperreiche.com/category/photography/

  • jefftk 952 days ago
    This post has several misconceptions and mistakes:

    Never any locking them out because you noticed suspicious activity or anything bogus like that and making them provide personal details. That is abuse of trust and abuse of people

    This misses why companies do this: to prevent account hijacking. It sucks to be locked out of your account, but it also sucks for someone to steal it. Various companies have made mistakes here, and some amount of false positives will happen with any detection system, but going all the way to "do not protect accounts" is not going to give a better experience for users on balance.

    no one is writing them because there's no platform for them

    Why not https://wordpress.com, or one of the many sites that hosts WordPress?

    Blogger was shut down by Google years ago

    Blogger is still running: https://blogger.com https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blogger_(service)

    Nowadays people won't share content simply because they don't trust the internet to share content to it. You have to provide for them to be anonymous and protected forever, which means letting people create accounts easily with just an email or something similar ... They have to be able to blog without thinking someone is going to bring it up and file it away forever and maybe they won't get a job because of it, or their tyrannical government will think they're an agitator and attack them or an adversary will use it for selective characger defamation sometime.

    This just isn't something that a blogging platform is going to be able to promise its users. Defending against countries is really hard, especially when your users are doing things that are (wrongly) against the law in those countries.

  • FourthProtocol 952 days ago
    The under list of web sites under 1Mb (https://1mb.club/) is a great resource if you're willing to spend the time browsing there.
  • waltbosz 952 days ago
    I too hearken for access to the Internet of ole.

    When content was real content, and love was poured into every keystroke.

    I spend the occasional free mental cycle pondering the reasons for the downfall of Internet quality. It's hard to put a finger on any one exact reason.

    The tttthis.com article reminds us that blogging platforms which lowered the barrier to entry for Internet publishing helped usher in all sorts new interesting voices and ideas.

    Perhaps it was the monetization of blogs which attracted the publishers of low quality. Once gold is found in the hills, more people come exploring.

  • codingdave 952 days ago
    Their about page talks about using reddit to post hate speech, then just link to it from their blog, to get around censorship on blogging platforms.

    I honestly cannot tell if this author is wanting that because they are truly passionate about freedom of speech, or if they are feeling personally stifled in expressing their opinions.

    Either way, this post feels like an attempt to say they want a blogging platform where they can post whatever they want, whether it be NSFW content, hate speech, or anything else.

    • rchaud 952 days ago
      It was weird how the latter half of the post seemed completely detached from the first.
  • elzbardico 952 days ago
    video and podcasts killed blogs. When we figured out it the spoken world has truly dismal bandwidth compared to reading, it was already too late, blogs were dead.

    Also, SEO trickery completely drowned the honest blogger, not to mention rampant plagiarism from the same SEO farms.

    • pixelgeek 952 days ago
      > Also, SEO trickery completely drowned the honest blogger, not to mention rampant plagiarism from the same SEO farms.

      Well it makes it impossible to find any good information about a topic.

      I wonder if stackoverflow would be as popular if there weren't 101 content farm articles for every subject you want to search for.

      • elzbardico 951 days ago
        People could try books instead of stack overflow.
  • dSebastien 952 days ago
    Over the years, I collected hundreds of RSS feeds. It all started with Google Reader, then moved all around the map. I remember Feedburner, tt-rss, ... Finally I stuck with Feedly.

    Like many others, I hoarded feeds and consumed articles at random. I enjoyed using StumbleUpon to discover new sites on the Web, it was fun and I miss that vibe.

    I used to explore my feeds every single day. I would pick 5-10 articles, print them out at work (oops) and read those during my train commutes. I learned a ton that way.

    At some point I hit Feedly's free tier upper limit (800 or 1K feeds?) and stopped caring. Over time, I completely stopped checking the feeds and just let it go. I migrated over to Twitter and started following people rather than blogs; which has interesting benefits compared to just looking at articles through a feed reader: social interaction!

    As the flood of content keeps getting worse, I feel like it's harder and harder to find the interesting content, which is drowned by the long tail. I feel like we need better means to curate content collaboratively (a delicious 2.0? :p). Wonder what exists out there that isn't focused on a specific niche.

  • daitangio 952 days ago
    Facebook rulez, until years ago, I discovered I cannot say what I want (respecting people, for sure): some words are not permitted in groups name, and even some posts can be flagged as "inappropriate" by some AI.

    I understand why Facebook need to do it, but sometimes it limit my expressiveness (I am Italian, and my language has a very huge set of synonyms and nuances of terms).

    So I have kept my Blog alive and kicking in the last 20 years and it is my place where: - I can write what I want and I take my responsibilities - NO one can ban me from by blog - Users can comment and I decide the moderation rules. And yes I own my site comments. - No advertising I do not want. My pages are super fast - Nice printing capabilities - I can link other blogs/article I like - I store images on my own, to avoid to loose external image links. - I get tracebacks in comments.

    On the downside: - Video bandwidth can be a pain if you do not want advertising on it - I must pay for it (but for 5 bucks / month it is a good deal for the freedom to say what do you want). - I got less traction in respect of Facebook.

  • rawoke083600 952 days ago
    Yea I want the "readability" of blogs (nice text, little JS and no tracking) and the "discoverability of "reddit"

    I can pick any topic/genre and just go find the appropriate subreddit. Sort by "Top (month,year,all time)" and immediately be served with "good content"

    Just "searching" for any topic on Google can quickly lead you down a rabbit hole of SEO-focussed-thin-content !

  • george3d6 952 days ago
    blogs are more alive than ever.

    they make up a smaller % of the internet, but that's because the use-base has increased.

  • design-of-homes 952 days ago
    I started writing a blog in 2007 and continued writing fairly regularly until 2013. The subject of my blog: the design of high density housing. I am not an architect, but I developed a passion for the subject and wrote blog posts based on the books, papers and news I consumed.

    Why did I stop? Simply because hardly anyone was reading the blog!

    At first, I convinced myself I was writing for myself and an audience was not important. But over time, I came to realise that, although the size of the audience was not important to me, the interest and engagement of readers did matter (especially for a blog with a very niche topic). Hardly any readers commented on my blog posts (which was important to me).

    Today, there are lots of corporate blogs writing about their products, and there are single author bloggers trying to establish their "personal brand" - whatever that means! The writing style is often inflated, formal, corporate-sounding: in short, simply bland. What rarely comes across is the unique voice of the writer. And that's a shame.

  • hownottowrite 952 days ago
    Google doesn’t get enough credit for destroying the blogging ecosystem. It was a masterful stroke of evil on many levels.
  • mikewarot 952 days ago
    A lot of the bloggers I read back in the day would now be called influencers, and the attention they fed on moved to other platforms, like Facebook, etc. Writing a good blog post takes time and effort, and what's the point if nobody is going to be around to read it? We all need that dopamine hit to keep putting in the effort, don't we?

    >But Blogger was shut down by Google years ago,

    That was a shock to read, as I last posted to my blog there recently.

    However, Blogger isn't dead, I still post stuff there from time to time on my personal blog.[1]

    I tried to make a more coherent case for capabilities based security in Capabilities Digest[2], back in 2015

    1 - http://mikewarot.blogspot.com

    2 - http://capabilitiesdigest.blogspot.com/

    • sourcecodeplz 952 days ago
      Blogger is so underrated ... great platform. In my opinion the most valuable free service from Google after Search.
  • DanielBMarkham 952 days ago
    I went self-hosted about a year ago (again) using ghost and commento. So far I love it. I've been writing online since the first web pages and I started blogging around 2000 or so. (I think)

    The demise of blogging and the crap that is social media are both due to the same combination of two factors: zero friction to create content and instantaneous, perhaps wordwide feedback on whatever you create. Serious writing just isn't designed to work in this kind of world. You'll be drowned out by emotionally-manipulative crap and then people will build engines to churn out even more crap faster that's even more manipulative. I love the future, but my vision of the future of VR/AR/brain interfaces is something along the lines of getting instantaneously angry or sad at something and wanting to talk about it before you're even consciously aware of what you're angry or sad about. The words will come later and are besides the point. (Which is just like our brains work)

    Because of many innovations, printed text is simply too easily-manipulated and dispersed by technology to survive in any fashion similar to what it used to. I don't know what the answers are, but I'm experimenting. Because of social signaling, my blog is ad, pop-up, and tracking-free. I'm mixing in new formats with weekly video called "Nerd Roundup" where I just shoot the shit about tech stuff. I tried twitch and a couple of other new delivery platforms. I do have e-publications, but I do my best to downplay the idea of anybody buying them who are not serious about the topic. In short, my current strategy, like George in that famous episode of Seinfeld [1], is take whatever most people are doing and invert it. There might be a space there to make some kind of progress. I'm not sure. It's worth trying.

    I know that we need more people reasonably talking about various topics and doing so in-depth, and I know we're getting less and less of that.

    1. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0697744/

    • pixelgeek 952 days ago
      > The demise of blogging and the crap that is social media are both due to the same combination of two factors: zero friction to create content and instantaneous, perhaps wordwide feedback on whatever you create. Serious writing just isn't designed to work in this kind of world. You'll be drowned out by emotionally-manipulative crap and then people will build engines to churn out even more crap faster that's even more manipulative.

      I spent the better part of a half hour trying to find a blog post a read about a month ago that talked about this very thing. It was one of the reasons why I stopped writing my old blog and moved to one where I effectively ramble on for my own amusement.

      I think that this is one of the biggest changes in the web in some time. Content is being produced for search engine placement and social media aggregation. Once someone hits a site and the ad loads the content has done its work. The author of the piece doesn't care if you found it interesting or informative. That is irrelevant. They got your click.

      Facebook and Google exacerbate this issue by owning the ad services that these sites use. It is a closed system that just feeds on itself.

  • wly_cdgr 952 days ago
    Some strategies to find good blogs that have worked for me:

    * Starting with university departmental websites

    * Starting from records of "shop talk" industry conferences (e.g. Practice & GDC for games, as opposed to "fan service" cons like PAX)

    * Looking up the people who worked on some games / products I really like (e.g. found Michael Brough's blog this way)

    * Exploring GitHub and similar for interesting repos and looking up their main contributors (an interesting side observation you'll also end up making if you do this is how many of the best projects are essentially done by one person - i.e., 85%+ of the commits are theirs and they are clearly the main/sole driving force. Not really a surprise but cool to see nonetheless)

  • jamesvandyne 952 days ago
    Blogs like the author is looking for still exist (I write one at https://jamesvandyne.com) and there's heaps more on https://micro.blog.

    Blogs that aren't SEO fluff to get adsense money just don't appear in the search results. Discovery is the real issue. Finding these blogs independently or outside is nigh impossible.

    I've been thinking it might be fun to make a GeoCities-esque neighborhood directory site that you could add your blog to help with discovery. But could you (I) change my habits to stumble upon sites in the neighborhoods instead of opening HN/Twitter?

  • mark_l_watson 952 days ago
    I have written a few thousand blog articles in the last 25 years, but that flow has gone to zero since what writing time I have has gone to writing books. I miss blogging but there is only so much time in life and deciding what not to do is important.
  • ms123 952 days ago
    Have a look at https://nightfall.city and https://smol.pub. Both were created to scratch this itch.
  • jaimefjorge 952 days ago
    It seems to me that the problem described is less one of discoverability and more one of lack of content. Regardless, this gave me the idea that it would be generally interesting to have authenticity unbundled from Google. If you could create a subset of Google with the honest, transparent, human blogs/posts/websites, etc then you could search from content from those sites. It could be less news aggregator and more search engine untainted by money or robots. I’m thinking opt-in domains, with a small community selecting the domains/blogs. I’m sure this is not new. But I surely earn for a more authentic internet.
  • gallerdude 952 days ago
    I just started a new blog [1].

    I can't explain why, but the whole thing is kind of terrifying. I don't want to become one of those blogs you find that have 300 articles since 2008. The kind of blogs only have 1 or 2 comments on each post, screaming into the void what's going on with their life.

    Because of this fear, the only way I ever did write something was basically to force myself to have something posted by the end of the weekend. But now I have the same fear again, so I'll probably have to do the same thing.

    [1] https://www.museum-on-the-coast.com/

  • SMAAART 952 days ago
    Evolution of offline information networks:

    Printing press -> Radio -> Television

    Evolution of online information networks:

    Blogs -> Podcasts -> Videos

    What is interesting is that:

    1. Podcasts > Videos since they can be consumed in more places than Videos

    2. People love and consume long forms podcasts (>1 hour)

    • TOGoS 952 days ago
      Don't know why sibling is dead; perfectly good points about discoverability of podcasts. To which I reply: I have had success discovering podcasts when they had transcriptions on the page. Google for some words, hit upon page, say "I can't read all this now but hey there's a link to audio", download the entire series, transcode to 16kbps Opus using ffmpeg, put it on my phone, listen in the car.

      (The two examples I have in mind are https://www.psymposia.com/podcasts/plusthree/ and https://www.organism.earth/library/document/conversations-on..., which would suggest that posting transcriptions with your audio is something that occurs to people after consuming a certain quantity of mushrooms, or maybe it's just that the stuff those people tend to say happens to match stuff I'm googling for. Something something "hierarchical power structures".)

    • manuelmoreale 952 days ago
      The issue with podcast—which I absolutely love—is one of discoverability and distribution.

      Blogs can be easily indexable and searchable while podcasts are definitely not.

      Also, the vast majority of podcasts rely on 3rd party services to distribute their content on podcast apps.

      Which makes the entire infrastructure a lot more fragile than a simple self hosted blog IMO.

      They’re still an awesome medium though, especially for long conversations.

  • pelasaco 952 days ago
    The title misses the (2020). This was already well discussed here https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23205588
  • pantulis 952 days ago
    Of course social media hit blogs hard on its day. I miss the times when a blogger would publish how bad her morning went, pictures of his new dog, or how great was the latest TV launch. This is basically all gone to social media.

    But I also think that the coffin in the nail was given by people like myself subscribing to too many sites that provide RSS feeds. Seems like a good idea, having all that info in your newsreader, but after all The Verge, Hacker News and a few other media can dwarf any personal blogs so your reader basically is infoxicated.

    The best way to discover blogs is... also reading blogs.

  • adventured 952 days ago
    Blogs today are just being hosted on Substack instead of Movable Type installations (circa the early 2000s) or Blogger and similar. The platforms play a game of never ending musical chairs, the winners change, the game doesn't stop.

    It makes sense blogging would see an integration move, that blends up some social media, email list, blogging, etc activities (social media, images/video/sound, email lists, text blogging/writing, pick a few and blend them). It's extremely obnoxious for the average person to attempt to do all of those things separately.

  • Giorgi 952 days ago
    One should keep in mind that explosion of blogs came because of the adsense, nowadays getting into adsense is extremely difficult and other monetization options do not make sense. Bloggers need motivation.
  • wolpoli 952 days ago
    > Now it says there are 40,000 but you only get 10 or 20 pages of results you can get to, all basically corporate and lame.

    This is a very serious issue with search engines today. Search engines falsely claim millions of matches, and not only does it do nothing to help us narrow down the millions by grouping or suggest additional keywords, but we can't actually get to the results. Do these results even exist? Are search engines basically precomputing results for keywords and it can't go outside of them anymore?

  • billiam 952 days ago
    Like every service in the history the Internet, blogs were great for the first few years, then got ruined by the uncontrolled nature of the medium, which is why we liked the Internet in the first place. Yes, I know, nothing new and lovely is being invented now, it was all great before, but honestly is it worth pining for a web page that took five minutes to read and was discovered by link trees rather than a tweet you read in 5 seconds that is discovered for you by a crappy algorithm?
  • nly 952 days ago
    One thing I love about (most) blogs is that every post has a timestamp.

    Nothing worse than finding a useful article online, particularly with facts and figures in them, with no bloody timestamp

    • mkr-hn 952 days ago
      A weird advice worm ate its way through the blogosphere in the late 2000s and early 2010s that made people think that if content was "evergreen," it didn't need a time stamp. The reality is that even the best advice has a context of time and place, and translating it forward requires knowing that context. Some people still follow that advice, or don't even know about timestamps and just grabbed the first theme they liked that didn't have them.

      For example: so much advice in photography that gets repeated without thought is from a time when automation wasn't very reliable, or from the early transition to digital. So new photographers end up being miserable in full manual when they'd learn faster with a little computer help, or they burn $2000 on a lens they aren't skilled enough to use when their modern $50 kit lens is sharper than almost any of the legendary film-era lenses that didn't have to contend with 20+ megapixel sensors revealing all their flaws. Any blog post from the 2000s on the subject would have been mostly right back then, but without a timestamp, it's hard to know where it fits.

      • hopesthoughts 940 days ago
        This is one of my big problems with WP, and I've been using it for like 16 years now. Most themes don't support timestamps. In fact, I'm not even sure I've ever used one.
  • motohagiography 952 days ago
    Working on launching a blog right now. The value prop is that it is guaranteed to make you smarter, each piece is a literary composition, and it is the best time and value for money you are likely to get that day.

    What we do with language online now is what we used to do with code in the 80's. We're still in the shitty 8-bit game stage of public discourse, Twitter is internet Tetris. Like code, good writing isn't just what it represents, it's what it does.

  • sschueller 952 days ago
    Wow, I guess I am really old. I can remember the time before blogs. This is like "If I could bring one thing back to the internet it would be instagram" to me.
    • firepoet 952 days ago
      Curious.. what would you bring back?
  • shoto_io 952 days ago
    Content marketing, medium and twitter crushed blogging.

    The first two are about the reputation of blogging and the third about lower levels of entry for most people. Sad but true.

    • rchaud 952 days ago
      Medium and Twitter siloed blogs into a 'recommended for you' type of delivery medium. Blogger was agnostic in that regard, it only showed your content, and the blogroll was set by the user.
  • mattmcknight 952 days ago
    "But Blogger was shut down by Google years ago"

    Yet I still use it?

  • ElectricMind 952 days ago
    People start with "hey I love this topic. Let me write about it and I don't care what anyone else think or fame or money"

    *1-2 years later success

    Same people "Let me write something so I can milk the cow. I stop writing about code but instead how to make cheese from the milk which I am about suck from the cow organically"

    As soon as your "passion" becomes "full-time" job , it is over. Any way I have to find my cow. Cioa

  • kaetemi 952 days ago
    Or just bring them back into the Google search results...
  • d3vmax 952 days ago
    There used to be a blog search which listed the top 100 blogs, it was called technorati. The current version is not a blog search. I used to have a blog that taught people how to create their msn spaces and add features to it. It used to be No. 5. I slowly stopped blogging around 2008. Most people moved onto SN for casual posting as the barrier to maintain is low. Serious bloggers are still there.
  • hopesthoughts 940 days ago
    OK well that was 2020. Maybe fast forward to 2021, and blogs are here again. Or still here, I guess that depends on how you see things. To me blogging never died, but then again I don't go around randomly surfing blogger either. You're likely to run into spam that way.
  • marcodiego 952 days ago
    I like the way blogs are written today. If a take care not to find them through google, I can even reach some good ones. A large proliferation of blogs has detrimental effects when searching. Except for SEO aberrations, currently only people who have really interesting things to say about a subject have incentives to write blogs and that is how things should be.
  • specialist 952 days ago
    Just gimme a RSS news reader UI for my family, friends, and fellow geeks I follow.

    Call it blogs, myspace, friend feeds, listservs, whatever.

    Banning newsfeeds (algorithmic outrage machine) would probably do it. Moots most of the gamification and engagement toxicity.

    Then if virality remains an issue, nerf the gamification and engagement features. Retweets, shares, likes, and other bullshit.

  • schemescape 952 days ago
    My biggest motivation for starting an independent blog instead of posting on Facebook, LinkedIn, Medium, etc. is that I want to have possession of the content that I create.

    Even if it's possible to get data back out of the big platforms, I wouldn't be surprised if it's in some proprietary format that is difficult to later reuse.

  • BlueTemplar 952 days ago
    The second part is about trying to make a platform that isn't a platform. Platforms are bad ! Don't use them !

    (Yes, I know about Substack - I guess it would be more accurate to say that platform inevitably get bad over time, as the public companies that create and/or buy them are driven by short-term profit first and foremost.)

  • throwawaaaaay17 952 days ago
    Substack is driving a blog renaissance. A ton of high-quality niche blogs popping up everywhere.

    See, for example, https://antonhowes.substack.com/ (I'm not affiliated with the writer, though I am considering switching from free to paid)

    • brabel 952 days ago
      Why would I use this instead of my own domain and a website hosted for free on Netlify or GitHub Pages?

      I can get quite a lot of views by posting my latest posts to the relevant forums (HN, Reddit, programming forums)... if there's any advantage I am not seeing, I actually do want to know.

      • dilap 952 days ago
        I follow a bunch of people on substack. Things I've noticed as a reader:

        - It's both an email newsletter and a very nicely designed, clean web page

        - There's an easy-to-use payments system (I pitch in a few bucks to my favorite blogs). The writer can control on a per-post basis how much extra content paid subs get -- whole post, whole post but no ability to comment, or just a preview of the post.

        - They've actively recruited excellent writers, offering them contracts with minimum $ guarantees.

        There's nothing mind-blowing about it, but it's really well and tastefully done, which is more than you can say about 99% of the commericial web offerings.

      • Torwald 952 days ago
        > Why would I use this instead of my own domain and a website hosted for free on Netlify or GitHub Pages?

        Email subscriptions made easy enough for a non-techie audience to subscribe.

        • kowalevski 952 days ago
          some blogs that are available on domain etc have form with email subscription (for example by using Convertkit service). i did this on my blog website.
          • yawnxyz 952 days ago
            Substack is free for the author vs. Mailchimp etc. f
      • rchaud 952 days ago
        You'd go to Substack if the endgame was to develop a paying audience. Views alone don't pay writers' bills.
        • brabel 952 days ago
          Ah ok, but when I talk about blogging in the sense we're talking here, I think of it mostly as a non-professional activity as it used to be... just people sharing their thoughts/knowledge.
    • mkr-hn 952 days ago
      The problem with Substack (and Revue) is their publisher policy. The moment you turn on payments, you either bend to the ambiguity and only get your income from them, or you risk it with a Patreon or an online store for a purpose that isn't well-served by a newsletter.
    • pixelgeek 952 days ago
      Well it is for professional writers. I think that the initial wave of blogs lead to a lot of people getting work as paid writers and now Substack is helping those people build their own market outside of the declining magazine and newspaper industries.
    • JohnWhigham 952 days ago
      I agree with the high-quality niche part, but the same was said about Medium in its early days. They're on borrowed time like every other SV funny-money-funded company.
  • makach 952 days ago
    Blogs are great, and I still read a lot of blogs. Quite a few of them I learn about from this site.

    But the gold is really in the commment section. There is so much quality content and so much insight that I am not worried about the development of the internet. It is still a great place to be.

  • sergioisidoro 952 days ago
    Medium, in an attempt to monetise blogging and give financial incentives to writing with paywalling, has absolutely damaged my perception of blogging. It was the perfect platform, and so nice to find interesting blogs and articles that only wanted to share information and stories.

    But then it started eating away the blog platform space, and then took all that hostage with paywalls. There's not that many companies I really dislike, but Medium is starting to be up there in the list.

    • pixelgeek 952 days ago
      I think the blog space was dead prior to Medium showing up. Medium seemed to be a way to try to get the better writers still out there into a single space. Then they realised they had to pay all those folks and killed the site with their paywall.
  • paulpauper 952 days ago
    Substack is the new blog. The problem most bloggers face is no traffic and readers. The failure rate is so high, I can understand why the medium overall has declined in popularity. I think videos and podcasts are easier to get traction and there is more money.
  • gwenbell 952 days ago
    Possible the only thing about [blogs](http://gwenbell.com/#GBnQXVaaT2CggWpq0hfqlqjePhu9m1jULjBHxMF...) that changed is the shape?
  • silexia 950 days ago
    Blogs are still out there, Google just stopped surfacing them in search. I used to get tens of thousands of visitors per month to my blog joelx.com. now I receive none to the articles from the last few years. I still write though.
  • EGreg 952 days ago
    Well, you're in luck. Wordpress powers 42% of the Web!

    I'm sure much of that is blogs, right?

  • HermanMartinus 952 days ago
    I know it's platform specific. But the Bear trending page has a decent few good blogs on it: https://bearblog.dev/discover/
  • sockpuppet_12 951 days ago
    If you use https://search.marginalia.nu/ to search for blogs, you'll find all that kind of thing he laments is missing.
  • nabla9 952 days ago
    They never went away. There are more of them and they are better than before.
  • MathMonkeyMan 952 days ago
    I consume most of my techy stuff here on Hacker News, and occasionally I come across a blog I like, and so subscribe to it using an RSS reader browser extension.

    Here are the blogs I'm currently following (one of them is mine):

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      <opml version="1.0">
      <head>
      <title>Feed Subscriptions</title>
      </head>
      <body>
            <outline text="wingolog" title="wingolog" type="rss" 
                  xmlUrl="http://wingolog.org//feed" htmlUrl="https://wingolog.org/"/>
            <outline text="A Programming Blog" title="A Programming Blog" type="rss" 
                  xmlUrl="https://www.davidgoffredo.com/feed"/>
            <outline text="Probably Dance" title="Probably Dance" type="rss" 
                  xmlUrl="https://probablydance.com/feed" htmlUrl="https://probablydance.com"/>
            <outline text="Edward Snowden" title="Continuing Ed  &#38;#8212; with Edward Snowden" type="rss" 
                  xmlUrl="https://edwardsnowden.substack.com/feed" htmlUrl="https://edwardsnowden.substack.com"/>
            <outline text="Beyond Loom Blog" title="Beyond Loom Blog" type="rss" 
                  xmlUrl="https://beyondloom.com/blog/rss.xml" htmlUrl="http://beyondloom.com/blog/index.html"/>
            <outline text="apenwarr" title="apenwarr" type="rss" 
                  xmlUrl="https://apenwarr.ca/log/rss.php" htmlUrl="https://apenwarr.ca/log/"/>
            <outline text="Writing - rachelbythebay" title="Writing - rachelbythebay" type="rss" 
                  xmlUrl="https://rachelbythebay.com/w/atom.xml"/>
      </body>
      </opml>
  • trwhite 952 days ago
    I think Posthaven ticks a lot of these boxes. I never really anyone talking about it on here but it's been around for an age and I don't have anything to fault about it.
  • rchaud 952 days ago
    Here are the "blogs" I've discovered recently:

    1) Random side hustle site about making weekend planners and selling via Kindle Direct Publishing. Found on a search for "Affinity Publisher 5x8 template"

    2) Website Builder Report: A site that does "reviews" of website builders, e.g. Squarespace and has a convenient coupon code for each site being reviewed. Found on a search for "static file CMS"

    3) Plausible Analytics, which has stumbled upon the ultimate HN bait - criticizing Google Analytics. Found on HN, because where else would this appear?

    Seems like people aren't interested in writing words on the Internet unless they expect to get paid from it somehow.

    • pixelgeek 952 days ago
      > Seems like people aren't interested in writing words on the Internet unless they expect to get paid from it somehow.

      Google dramatically changed how content was found and also how much there was. Since Google has a effective stranglehold on online advertising they have become the effective "tastemaker" for the internet. If Google thinks it is popular then people write SEO focused content on that subject and that is what shows up when you search since those sites also host Google ads.

      Search engines are also not very good. The model that made sense for the pre-Google internet doesn't really produce meaningful result anymore

  • jppope 952 days ago
    For those of you looking for blogs you can find new ones here: https://refined.blog
  • cdnsteve 952 days ago
    Blogs should not be reliant by search engines, we need a better way to build trusted networks between content authors where tech Giants are not required.
  • alpineidyll3 952 days ago
    Because I feel the same way I make a blog post a month, but discoverability is a real problem for blogs. Google doesn't take kindly to them.
  • JacksonGariety 952 days ago
    I write the best philosophy blog: https://hegelsbagels.net/
  • fsckboy 952 days ago
    blogs were the beginning of the death of the internet: content based around a person is basically celebrity culture, and the pressure is on to crank something out regardless of whether the celeb has anything to say.

    the slashdot/digg/reddit/hn model is better (though as a microcosm of blogging, the slashdot editors were too personality driven as well)

  • xwdv 952 days ago
    I’m wondering if bringing back an ancient technology, Web Rings, would solve this problem of blog discoverability a bit.
  • rurban 951 days ago
    Nobody cares for blogs. Usenet was the real thing. Distributed discussions, free from censorship and disappearing hosters.
  • savingGrace 952 days ago
    What is lobsters?
  • eurasiantiger 952 days ago
    Plenty of well-written, insightful and contemporary blogs on the Gemini network.

    Get off the web and into some other part of the internet.

  • waspight 952 days ago
    So for the one that still blogs. Are you anonymous, not anonymous but with a pseoudonyme or not anonymous at all?
  • peter_retief 952 days ago
    I blog for myself and host on a linux box under my desk. Really just a place to store my images and ideas.
  • BlueTemplar 952 days ago
    Just like last time : I'm pretty happy with the many high quality blogs we have these days.
  • bayesian_horse 952 days ago
    Bring back the readers that read blogs and pay for them (through ads) and there will be blogs again.
    • pixelgeek 952 days ago
      The audience quite simply isn't there any more. And I think ads are part of the problem. You get into that system and the next thing you know you are plotting out SEO strategies.

      I think that the micro-payment systems that were discussed ages ago would be a solution but the investment money went elsewhere.

  • BlueTemplar 952 days ago
    Ah, the irony of this being itself a rambling blogpost ending on the front page of HN...
  • starf 952 days ago
    Who here used to read "salami tsunami"? I think his name is Dusty Scott.
  • hammyhavoc 952 days ago
    There's a lot of repetition, e.g. 'nowadays'. 3 uses in one post.
  • notJim 952 days ago
    Aren't blogs just called substacks now?
  • pixelgeek 952 days ago
    I actually wrote about something similar to this a while ago on my own blog

    https://lolbat.github.io/zacblog/post/the-peril-of-social-me...

    (Ignore the original clickbaity headline)

    The TLDR for those that don't want to read it is that the blogs that are out there writing technical content have to compete with a lot of content farms and SEO farms and so they have to resort to the same tactics to show up in search results.

  • brm 952 days ago
    I'd bring back David Karp
  • Goddiva004 941 days ago
    Well that is what this is so what do we actually want to talk about.
  • Goddiva004 941 days ago
    Well that is what this is, so what do we want to talk about?
  • chovybizzass 952 days ago
    no way man, webrings