Aromatic 5-silicon rings synthesized at last

(cen.acs.org)

39 points | by keepamovin 2 days ago

5 comments

  • JackFr 56 minutes ago
    Dilithium is a real thing. Who knew?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilithium

    • rrr_oh_man 42 minutes ago
      It's indispensable when dealing with self-sealing stem bolts
  • snitty 1 hour ago
    >Move over cyclopentadiene anion—there’s a new five-membered aromatic ring in town, and this one is made of silicon.

    CHEM-Es are build a little different from the rest of us.

    • gilleain 36 minutes ago
      Cyclopentadiene is a great molecule - it can form 'metallocene' compounds where two cyclopentadiene (Cp) rings 'sandwich' a metal ion between them:

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metallocene

      Like Cp--M--Cp where the '--' are an unusual kind of 'bond' which is somewhat like five carbon-metal bonds, although I'm sure there is a more accurate orbital description of the interaction.

    • bonzini 28 minutes ago
      "The average person probably only knows the formulas for olivine and one or two feldspars" (https://xkcd.com/2501)
      • robwwilliams 11 minutes ago
        Perfect! I read this “heart-warming” overview of two papers in Science and learned zero about why this is of any significance. The discovery is significant but I had to probe Opus 4.6 to find out why.

        The personal focus is a distraction. It would be great if science writers could focus on the science and significance of the advance.

  • rbanffy 1 hour ago
    Any possible applications?
    • ultratalk 1 hour ago
      > Iwamoto and Scheschkewitz say pentasilacyclopentadienides could be ligands for catalysts and materials.
      • robwwilliams 7 minutes ago
        The review should have expanded on this at a practical level even mom and dad could understand—the standard “better life through chemistry” angle.
  • YarickR2 56 minutes ago
    So, we have a chance to reduce our usage of volatile hydrocarbons. Silicon-based chemicals should not burn as easily as CH-based ones.
    • gus_massa 42 minutes ago
      No, it's a super weird molecule that is big, expensive to make and probably form a solid. It can not replace solvents like benzene.

      The weird structure of the electrons in the silicon cycle may be useful as a catalyst(or not, it's too early to be sure). Imagine it is like the Platinum in the car exhaust, not the solvent in the paint remover.

    • adrian_b 46 minutes ago
      This particular silicon compound is unlikely to help much in that direction.

      On the other hand, silicone resins and elastomers are already in widespread use in applications where resistance to high temperatures or burning is required (silicone =/= silicon, the former coming from silic-on + ket-one, a name based on a wrong hypothesis).

      However, their mechanical resistance is usually modest, so if that is important they must be used either in combinations with other materials or reinforced, e.g. with glass fiber.

      They are also more expensive than hydrocarbon-based plastics, so they are typically used only where strictly necessary.

  • cubefox 1 hour ago
    So what was their aroma like?
    • snitty 1 hour ago
      In this case aromatic means a ring of atoms where there is electron sharing among all the members of the ring.

      They're called aromatic rings because before they understood the structure, they grouped them by their behavior, and the aromatics contain a lot of volatile organics like benzene, toluene, phenol, which have strong odors.

      • worthless-trash 51 minutes ago
        I like your explanation without condescension. Respect.