I know it was the 80s, and it was a different time, but I never liked how Dave kept calling her "Grace." If Colin Powell was on Letterman, Dave would have called him "General Powell."
David Letterman is a real jerk. Watch his interview with John Waters where he treats him with disdain or when he creeps out Jennifer Aniston by licking her.
In fairness, she had to know it was coming at least somewhat. It's probably the reason she was there. If she didn't want to talk about it, she didn't have to go on a late night talk show, but she wanted to promote her business. Not everybody even gets the opportunity to make that tradeoff in support of businesses they work just as hard on.
He was a dick to Harvey Pekar, too. He even said he feels bad about it in a Howard Stern interview after his retirement.
A lot of comedians seem to hold him in high regards, which I never understood, but that's probably on me. But he really does seem like a massive prick.
That was kind of his schtick. He wasn’t above going for laughs at a guest’s expense from time to time, and that sort of irreverent snark was part of the show’s appeal.
"It the hardest thing to tell the people in this country: There was a time when everyone in this country all did one thing together."
Yeah yeah, common foe (this was around ww2), I know. But still.
That nano and pico seconds example is such a nice example of taking a difficult scientific concept and getting it across, in a way that I'll never forget.
I have one of her quotes on my office door: "The most dangerous phrase in the language is, 'we've always done it that way.'" It's applicable way more often than it should be.
I have no idea. Googling it gets "Grace Hopper Nanosecond Earrings."
FWIW, when I became STAR Student in high school, my mother bought me a necklace with a starfish on it to mark the occasion. She was looking for a "star" of some sort and the starfish was all she could find.
So maybe someone else bought them because of her rank and she wore them in part to honor that memory and that relationship-- family, friend, whatever. That's something people sometimes do.
Generally speaking in the Navy and Marine Corps we're discouraged from representing or using our rank to influence the public or gain favor. I don't go around calling myself by my rank, I'd expect a former Rear Admiral not to as well.
In the Marine Corps, honorably separated Marines are entitled to use their rank as a courtesy title in civilian life. Wearing jewelry to celebrate and pay homage to one's service is hardly influencing the public.
I've seen pendants with an EGA, spearheads, and whatnot but not insignia. I kind of diluted this thread by talking about rank instead of insignia at first. Very different things.
This is an astonishingly bad faith take. She was in the Navy. The Navy and the Marine Corps have explicit policies about not representing your rank or using your rank for influence or gaining favor. As I said in another thread, I don't walk around calling myself by my former rank and I'd expect such a highly ranked officer not to as well.
Before you edited your comments to say "my former rank," you listed a rank that in the Army would be too low to be a retiree. Granted, ranks are different in the Navy.
First, they do call her by her rank in the video.
Second, it's common in military culture for a retiree to be listed as [their rank] (RET) to indicate their Retired status.
Third, the video is from 1986. Policies and culture can and typically do change over the course of several decades.
If you served only a few years and did not reenlist, no, it's not appropriate to call yourself by your former rank. But retirees are free to use their rank so long as they don't misrepresent themselves as if they are still active duty, generally speaking.
The example I gave is wrong or rather, more pertinent to active duty when operating in a civilian capacity. The Navy and Marines are the only branches that have specific rules about that. Wearing your insignia as an earring is what I was addressing and that is still very taboo. I served under Mattis and I'd be floored if I saw him wearing four star bars in a suit.
That's a bit disingenuous, for a service that has been overwhelmingly male for centuries. I little like saying "Our club is completely fair and traditional, even though we don't have any women's bathrooms. Tradition!"
Remember this woman was an Admiral(?) and a groundbreaker. Maybe she made the tradition. Not a lot of Navy folk (publicly) wearing dresses before either.
That was my point, badly made. There were likely no traditions regarding menopause or menstruation before women joined for instance. There was a need to 'make tradition'.
Whether that applies to decorative dangly earrings worn during interviews, I suspect there was some part of tradition that was lacking clarity.
She was in the Navy. The Simpsons had a joke about Bart getting an earring to be all rebellious and his dad saying something about "You're disrespecting our proud Navy heritage."
Sailors have been known to wear earrings. I mean male sailors.
The only official earring I'm aware of that was actually written into a NavMC at some point was the Black Pearl for being the lone survivor of a ship wreck.
One of the biggest travesties of American culture is that people like Grace Hopper are not lionized on television. The best we've been able to do is the occasional appearance of intellectuals on late night or premium channels. There was a time in the first few decades of American television that intellectuals, academics, writers, etc. were invited on to actually discuss ideas.
Maybe that's where podcast shows have taken over... Guys like Lex Fridman and, dare I say, Joe Rogan help further the intellectual conversations of today.
Safely removed from broadcast television where there are many, many people who are not innately curious or able to fathom a different set of ideas. Exposure to different points of view are crucial to a well rounded mind and development of curiosity.
Nothing is wrong with things being available on Youtube or podcasts. The point is that much (if not most of it) is only available there and broadcast TV sits at the bottom of an ocean of emotion that exerts such extreme pressure that free thought cannot occur.
He was de man. Spent my teens watching him on late night TV. What a positive influence! With all due respect to Johnny Carson, master of the art, Carson's show was pablum in comparison.
"I didn't... it was the first one."
Never cared for her, but jesus how can someone be so cruel to a young girl in the middle of a life crisis?
https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/dav...
A lot of comedians seem to hold him in high regards, which I never understood, but that's probably on me. But he really does seem like a massive prick.
Yeah yeah, common foe (this was around ww2), I know. But still.
That nano and pico seconds example is such a nice example of taking a difficult scientific concept and getting it across, in a way that I'll never forget.
Wow, she enlisted at 37 in 1944. That's impressive.
EDIT: I hate to #nit god like Comic Book Guy, but a picosecond is a trillionth of a sec and femtosecond is a quadtrillionth.
Grace Hopper on Letterman - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=16555400 - March 2018 (1 comment)
Grace Hopper on Letterman - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8967077 - Jan 2015 (1 comment)
Grace Hopper on Letterman - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4456613 - Aug 2012 (2 comments)
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FWIW, when I became STAR Student in high school, my mother bought me a necklace with a starfish on it to mark the occasion. She was looking for a "star" of some sort and the starfish was all she could find.
So maybe someone else bought them because of her rank and she wore them in part to honor that memory and that relationship-- family, friend, whatever. That's something people sometimes do.
As I said, I doubt that's what the ear rings are.
First, they do call her by her rank in the video.
Second, it's common in military culture for a retiree to be listed as [their rank] (RET) to indicate their Retired status.
Third, the video is from 1986. Policies and culture can and typically do change over the course of several decades.
If you served only a few years and did not reenlist, no, it's not appropriate to call yourself by your former rank. But retirees are free to use their rank so long as they don't misrepresent themselves as if they are still active duty, generally speaking.
I was in the Marines, both have the rank of Corporal. I asked a friend and he pointed me here: https://www.defense.gov/Contact/Help-Center/Article/Article/...
You are right about the use of rank by retirees.
The example I gave is wrong or rather, more pertinent to active duty when operating in a civilian capacity. The Navy and Marines are the only branches that have specific rules about that. Wearing your insignia as an earring is what I was addressing and that is still very taboo. I served under Mattis and I'd be floored if I saw him wearing four star bars in a suit.
Remember this woman was an Admiral(?) and a groundbreaker. Maybe she made the tradition. Not a lot of Navy folk (publicly) wearing dresses before either.
That was my point, badly made. There were likely no traditions regarding menopause or menstruation before women joined for instance. There was a need to 'make tradition'.
Whether that applies to decorative dangly earrings worn during interviews, I suspect there was some part of tradition that was lacking clarity.
Sailors have been known to wear earrings. I mean male sailors.
But thank you for your informative comments.
I wonder if WW2 felt more far away at that time, then the 80s feel today, even though both are 4 decades?
Nothing is wrong with things being available on Youtube or podcasts. The point is that much (if not most of it) is only available there and broadcast TV sits at the bottom of an ocean of emotion that exerts such extreme pressure that free thought cannot occur.