Apple capped engineers at a $200 daily AI budget

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48 points | by GloVin 1 hour ago

20 comments

  • closetheloopdev 5 minutes ago
    They are looking to lower it further to $100 [0]. This is definitely concerning for frontier labs since Accenture also caps their employees' usage to $29 a month [1].

    [0] https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/apple-cuts-...

    [1] https://finance.yahoo.com/technology/ai/articles/accenture-j...

    • Copenjin 3 minutes ago
      Accenture lol, in that case, considering the quality of the output previously released by their humans, maybe local LLMs are already more than enough for that use case.
    • psyphy2 3 minutes ago
      29/month is offensively low
  • whatever1 0 minutes ago
    200 daily means that you use 1 session in a turn-based setup. Hence likely you still know what is going on in the code.

    Once you have multiple agents working in parallel, hands off the wheel becomes very attractive. And that that exactly point you lose completely touch of what the heck is going on in your ex-code.

  • aunty_helen 1 minute ago
    I’m not sure if the /usage in cc is directly comparable to this? It gives a $ value which I assume is API equivalent.

    Most of the programming work I get opus5.5 to do, sometimes with fable coordinating. When I’m building a large feature it will often run over $500 and occasionally on longer sessions over 1k. Everyone else seems to think $200 should get by?

    I’m looking for a point of reference here.

  • 80fj0348i 20 minutes ago
    $5600 per 28-day period is quite a lot!
  • haoyuant94718 2 minutes ago
    I don't use that much to get my job done, but I know some of my friends working in a China's AI company and they use more than $300 per day
  • mrdw 24 minutes ago
    If $200 in API price equivalent it's too low. That's less than Claude Max x5 plan gives. So with $100 plan you'd have more tokens than apple engineer
    • onion2k 17 minutes ago
      It's only too low if the goal is to use AI as much as possible. If Apple are saying their engineers should not use AI for everything, and that they should still be working as they did but with a small assist from AI, the budget makes a lot of sense.

      Giving people some constraints so they have to actually think about solving their problems properly rather than just throwing money (or tokens) at it is not a bad idea.

    • htfy96 9 minutes ago
      It's kinda borderline. My dev workflow in my full-time job (Opus 5.5, 5 concurrent worktrees with human checking results and giving instructions) spend exactly $200/day on average. I imagine it could be more friendly if it's $300, as otherwise I might have to move some of my AI usage to weekends, which implicitly increases working hours :[
    • odo1242 22 minutes ago
      Apple is paying API prices, not subscription prices, though. $6000/month is half the engineer's monthly salary, it seems ridiculous to say that won't be enough, unless you're being very inefficient with token spend.
      • MattRix 16 minutes ago
        The fact that it's expensive has nothing to do with how useful it is though... I know plenty of people who max out their $200 plans every week, and they are working on stuff a lot less financially valuable than what Apple employees work on.
        • recursive 10 minutes ago
          I know people who spend that on lottery tickets. Obviously rational.
      • muro 16 minutes ago
        I think engineers in the Bay area are paid more than 12k / month. Maybe it's 1/3 of their salary :)
    • szundi 4 minutes ago
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  • vedanshchauhan9 35 minutes ago
    I use claude code $20 plan for the whole month, $200 is a whole year of that.
    • solyin 33 minutes ago
      Enterprises don't get to pay that plan. That's the consumer option. Businesses pay extra.
      • pixlmint 28 minutes ago
        My "AI subscription" is just buying 20$ openrouter credits when I run out and it's costing me less every month then a monthly Claude subscription. 200$ a day is insane
        • yokaze 19 minutes ago
          Your data is likely kept and used for training models.

          For most businesses, that's a no go. At least at the company I work for, we have to wait for new models because they negotiate away the training and retention and the vendors are not too eager to give up their moat.

          That's their moat: your data.

      • anilakar 11 minutes ago
        As long as you have under 150 users you can get the cheaper 25 dollar per seat plan.
      • speedgoose 5 minutes ago
        My company pays Claude half than consumer price because we are not for profit.
    • fbrncci 12 minutes ago
      But if you got access to all the latest models, through your org, without limits to spend, you'd likely not stay at $20 for even a day.
    • Foobar8568 11 minutes ago
      Good for you but $20 is too limited, a review of a code base and it’s gone.
    • UqWBcuFx6NV4r 27 minutes ago
      Oh… my sweet summer child. Hang onto that non-enterprise pricing for as long as you can.
  • changoplatanero 37 minutes ago
    $200 a day is not that bad. probably more than the majority of companies?
    • sky2224 6 minutes ago
      Yeah, mine is $500/mo currently, but I have the ability to request more if I can justify it.
    • klodolph 34 minutes ago
      Yeah, my cap is higher but I don’t use it.
  • lifeisloving 1 minute ago
    Finally companies are realizing that subsidizing unlimited AI for your employees is basically just paying for the tools for them to work 2hrs a day while you pay them for 8.

    Listen, I dont care if employees scam their bosses by offshoring their work to AI, but its absolutely the case that 90% of people irresponsibly use AI to be lazy, get by doing less work.

    Unfortunately, as Ive personally witnessed when you do this and take away the cheating tools engineers just start copying and pasting IP into their own AI subs where you have less garuntees about ZDR. Employees will gladly spend an extra $200 a month so they can work 4hrs less a day and just get by.

    Only 10%, maybe less, are actual super contributors with AI. The rest are literally getting a form of diabetes of the brain and the exercise required to reverse that disease is quite uncomfortable, especially when you've been hands off using a cheating tool for a year straight.

  • Someone 53 minutes ago
    FTA (emphasis added: Apple has reportedly slashed the daily AI spending limit for SOME of its own engineers, dropping the cap from $300 down to $200
  • siva7 23 minutes ago
    what's the source? ok i know everything is nowadays ai generated but come on?
  • gostsamo 3 minutes ago
    at this scale, it is totally worth for them to self-host models for part of the work.
  • heinternets 29 minutes ago
    That's a lot of tokens. I burn Opus about half the day and reach maybe half of that at most.
    • cmckn 21 minutes ago
      So if you burned Opus the whole day…
  • throwuxiytayq 31 minutes ago
    So that’s a yearly budget cut from $110k down to $73k, correct? I could live with that. I’d have a hard time finding ways to burn all these tokens.
    • boredatoms 27 minutes ago
      Presumably they mean work days rather than all days of the year
      • 80fj0348i 16 minutes ago
        How many engineers at Apple are on-call?
    • zeroonetwothree 27 minutes ago
      If you work 365 days a year which hopefully you don’t…
  • measurablefunc 22 minutes ago
    So they are paying approximately $6k/engineer-month.
    • jakegmaths 14 minutes ago
      That's a maximum/cap, not an average.
  • stonecharioteer 23 minutes ago
    I'm curious, what laptops do apple engineers get and are they encouraged to try local LLMs?
  • thewhitetulip 36 minutes ago
    $ 200 a month and yet new releases of Mac are not upto the mark. Very strange
    • uvu 31 minutes ago
      $ 200 daily, not month.
    • neevans 32 minutes ago
      $200 a day
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