OpenAI models are coming to Google Cloud

(openai.com)

145 points | by armcat 6 hours ago

11 comments

  • nsagent 2 hours ago
    Gotta love the disclaimer at the bottom:

      Microsoft remains OpenAI’s primary cloud partner.
    • hobofan 1 hour ago
      Things that you only say because you are contractually forced to say them.
      • merelydev 1 hour ago
        Or don't want to crash stock price.
    • echelon 1 hour ago
      OpenAI buys from Azure because of the Microsoft investment deal.

      OpenAI sells and reaches enterprise customers via GCP.

      Enterprises want zero data retention guarantees and they're already on AWS or GCP, so this is how OpenAI reaches those customers and makes more money.

      • _boffin_ 4 minutes ago
        Microsoft has had ZDR for inference since pretty much the beginning. Just needed to fill out a form and get approved.
      • keerthiko 48 minutes ago
        isn't the largest portion of openAI's reach to (overwhelming cloud provider leader AWS) enterprise customers via amazon bedrock?
        • paxy 18 minutes ago
          OpenAI only launched on bedrock ~3 months ago, so I doubt it. It has been running on azure since day 1.
  • game_the0ry 35 minutes ago
    Prediction: google cloud will pivot to being a hyperscaler versus a model + hyperscaler. Kind of like how xAI started hosting anthropic workloads with colossus cluster.

    bc the alpha is not the model, the alpha is having the physical infra (chips, power, etc).

    • paxy 25 minutes ago
      A company is allowed to do two things
    • hackernudes 34 minutes ago
      But x.ai also hosts Grok? Why would google stop developing their own models? I think you're right that Google will try to make money from their infrastructure (that's basically what Google Cloud is too).
    • barumrho 33 minutes ago
      Is that a long term prediction? Are you saying that physical infra will always lag demand from here on?
    • cma 15 minutes ago
      >Kind of like how xAI started hosting anthropic workloads with colossus cluster.

      Google has been hosting part of Anthropic's load long before that deal. They had a big degradation due to compiler bug for TPUs in an optimization they made to work around TPUs not being able sample from the logits efficiently.

  • londons_explore 44 minutes ago
    > Enterprises with Google Cloud spend commitments will be able to draw down their GCP commitments for these purchases.

    This is a fairly big move by Google... It means revenue they have already booked and reported to shareholders they now might have to give away - potentially all of it. Bean counters hate that!

    • paxy 12 minutes ago
      “Reported to shareholders” doesn’t really mean anything. There are thousands of such line items on financial reports. The ones that matter, such as recognized revenue, don’t count future bookings. It is understood that customers renege on these commitments all the time.

      Google is simply telling customers - there’s a new Google Cloud service, and you can use it under your existing account.

  • 123haw 1 hour ago
    Preparing for Oracle bankruptcy.
    • kps 25 minutes ago
      There's always a silver lining!
    • esseph 14 minutes ago
      I could only hope...
  • lemonish97 53 minutes ago
    "OpenAI models will soon be available in the Gemini Agent"

    They definitely need to have a better name if they're going to use 3p models

  • bananzamba 2 hours ago
    How are they trusting Google not to destill them
    • dumberquestions 1 hour ago
      This is speculation, but funnily enough Gemini models show the least evidence of being distilled from OAI or Anthropic compared to everything else in the market.
      • BudaDude 1 hour ago
        I feel this is correct. Google has probably the most data of any company in the world. For better or worse, they don't need to train on the outputs of other models.
    • aviinuo 1 hour ago
      Nvidia GPUs let you load encrypted weights onto them and to decrypt on chip so Google would need to have some sort of Nvidia management firmware attack to read from HBM while the GPU is live
      • jayd16 57 minutes ago
        Isn't distillation more of a black box type affair?
      • zeroxfe 32 minutes ago
        Distillation does not require access to weights.
      • binlog 1 hour ago
        Doesn’t really matter what happens at the GPU level when Google can see all API traffic.
      • worldsavior 1 hour ago
        Except google cloud doesn't use Nvidia GPUs but TPUs.
        • Mond_ 29 minutes ago
          Google has both. Afaik we don't know whether OpenAI models will run on TPUs or GPUs here.
    • lrvick 2 hours ago
      Probably a very strict contract, and letting OpenAI read all the session logs like they do for their own customers.
    • iamdelirium 1 hour ago
      GCP already hosts Anthropic models so probably trusts and lawyers.
    • amelius 58 minutes ago
      First answer this: How are they trusting OpenRouter not to distill them?
    • tgma 1 hour ago
      America is a high-trust society.
      • paxy 54 minutes ago
        More like - America is a high-litigation society.
        • tgma 6 minutes ago
          I don't believe threat of litigation alone explains the extent of it.

          The way an American company, esp a reputable one like Google, conducts itself internally is different. There will be much more internal backlash to do the wrong thing way before litigation.

    • WarmWash 1 hour ago
      Google Cloud couldn't give a shit about Google Deepmind, and backdooring Clouds customers only stands to hurt Cloud.
    • binlog 1 hour ago
      Contracts and lawyers are more powerful than any technical tool.
      • amelius 57 minutes ago
        Yeah like the copyright lawyers of content owners that got their works trained on?
        • paxy 26 minutes ago
          How many trillions of dollars were those content owners worth?
          • kridsdale1 7 minutes ago
            Enough. They just weren’t working in coordination.
  • AznHisoka 52 minutes ago
    Does this mean OpenAI is going to use TPU now?
  • AndrewKemendo 2 hours ago
    We need a new acronym

    Google, NVIDIA, OpenAI, MSFT…

    GNOM…oh wait no

    The strategy that I’ve heard said out loud now by all the major technology companies is “we’re all doing it (AI) together”

    In my view this was more or less the political result of the White House summit

    So I think we’re seeing what is basically going to be a giant amorphous set of collaborations such that nobody gets taken down, and the whole market doesn’t collapse

    If Alphabet, OAI, MSFT, AMZ…etc all agree to be interoperable then they will be acting more or less as a single body in tension.

    Whether that’s good or not is a question of your worldview but I think that’s the strategy

    • simonw 54 minutes ago
      Add Anthropic and you get MANGO. MSFT, Anthropic, NVIDIA, Google, OpenAI.
    • paxy 1 hour ago
      Giant companies working together isn’t an AI-age phenomenon. Go back 10, 20, 30 years and you’ll see that despite the public perception of competitiveness all the largest tech companies (Apple, Microsoft, Google, Samsung, Amazon) buy/sell to each other, sign partnerships and have tight economic interdependencies.
      • AndrewKemendo 32 minutes ago
        Who said it’s new? :)

        However if you look at the trust busting era what preceded it was this exact kind of private “cooperation” to prevent government involvement

    • selimthegrim 1 hour ago
      This is like that SNL skit with Tim Meadows where Will Ferrell has the F on his shirt on the kids TV show and keeps getting in the inappropriate order
    • solyin 1 hour ago
      Add in Meta (Muse app is a winner)

      MOM-NG GNOMM NGMOM MGNOM MGMNO MGMON ONMGM NOMGM NOMMG

  • cubefox 1 hour ago
    Is this the begging of the end of Gemini?
    • tancop 1 hour ago
      Why would it? The point of Gemini is provide user facing services cheaper than if they were paying OpenAI, make some money on the side with API credits and position themselves as a leader when investors want to see AI everywhere.

      Google Cloud is competing with AWS. Amazon has Bedrock so Google needs to keep up with them by serving both Claude and GPT, along with Gemini and open models.

    • iamdelirium 1 hour ago
      GCP has been hosting Anthropic models for a while.
      • cubefox 1 hour ago
        Google owns Anthropic stock.
    • dgellow 1 hour ago
      No? Why would you think that’s the case? Gemini fills its own niche
      • cubefox 8 minutes ago
        Gemini and GPT fill the same niche. They are direct competitors.
  • open592 1 hour ago
    I don't understand all the wild speculation and question here - openai is selling a shit ton of inference through third parties. these third parties want to provide inference to their customers who use gcp (and don't want to also inference through bedrock or azure ai foundary.

    these are all zdr engagements and thus "enterprise" contracts.

    basically it boils down to - anthropic already provides inference direct through GCP, Azure, and AWS - so to compete openai is doing the same.