16 comments

  • Confiks 1 hour ago
    So the author charitably calls the 2025 vulnerability a "login bypass", but it's much worse than that. The firmware included a "datetime-based password" mechanism: a built-in backdoor password, like it's the 90s again.

    The original researcher published about this in August of this year [1], a year after reporting it, titling the report "Defrost the Food", which the attackers apparently took to be a good suggestion.

    As the firmware is open for anyone to download [2], blurring the affected function seems more like an invitation to find out more. I know I was curious when the news about the fridges in France broke. The function's actually called "check_code_of_the_day", and this is the implementation:

      uchar check_code_of_the_day(LPCTSTR pass) {
        uchar uVar1;
        LPCTSTR pass_local;
        DATE_STRUCT date;
        INT32 tothex;
        INT32 hex;
        UTF8_STR buff;
    
        Get_syst_current_tds(&date);
        ftext_s(buff,0x1ff,"%02d%02d%02d%02d",date.month,date.day,date.year,date.month);
        sscanf(buff,"%lx",&tothex);
        ftext_s(buff,0x1ff,,date.day);
        sscanf(buff,"%lx",&hex);
        tothex = __aeabi_idiv(tothex,hex);
        ftext_s(buff,0x1ff,"%05ld",tothex % 100000);
        if ((((*pass == buff[0]) && (pass[1] == buff[1])) && (pass[2] == buff[2])) &&
           ((pass[3] == buff[3] && (pass[4] == buff[4])))) {
          uVar1 = '\x01';
        }
        else {
          uVar1 = '\0';
        }
        return uVar1;
      }
    
    [1] https://www.claroty.com/team82/research/freeze-the-controlle...

    [2] https://www.danfoss.com/en-us/service-and-support/downloads/...

    • missmewiththatl 9 minutes ago
      I'm was super glad I could just copy/paste that code in my LLM-of-choice and it gave me a reasonable explanation of how to exploit it. Thank god an attacker couldn't do that.
  • SOLAR_FIELDS 1 hour ago
    Through my work I deal with grocery software and I can tell you that grocery software is ages behind the times. For most small retailers (small being a business owner with less than 10 stores in their retail chain, mostly local grocers) you are dealing with processes that would have been considered antique for the year 2000
    • josephg 41 minutes ago
      It’s the same in a lot of sectors. Airlines. Electricity companies. Probably train lines. Banks. Fire services.

      With all the disruption from AI on our industry, I can’t help but feel a little jealous.

      • Gigachad 16 minutes ago
        AI enabled hackers are going to break everything that’s connected to the internet forcing it to move in to the modern era.
      • SOLAR_FIELDS 9 minutes ago
        I am reminded of this every time I fly Southwest Airlines
      • SteveNuts 25 minutes ago
        Maybe AI will be able to give us a better FTP server in these industries
    • kevin_thibedeau 25 minutes ago
      I know someone at a 100 store operation and they're equally working in the stone age.
  • willvk 3 minutes ago
    So this is the real reason they're rioting. I'd be pissed too.
  • xp84 1 hour ago
    Sadly, I guess they won't have to worry about patching this issue now that everything's been looted and burned down.
    • HPsquared 55 minutes ago
      Possibly, for a brief moment, the food was nicely cooked.
      • tantalor 9 minutes ago
        Intermediate value theorem
  • Thaxll 1 hour ago
    No one at Danfoss got alerts than sudently hundred of fridges entered defrost mode? Reminds me of those computer you see at stores running weird ms-dos software.
    • cwillu 53 minutes ago
      “With our new internet-connected refrigerator line, you can get notifications online if a bunch of equipment malfunctions.”

      “Why would a bunch of equipment malfunction?”

      “Because you plugged it into the internet, you dolt.”

  • gz5 40 minutes ago
    fridges are very reliable. but let's IoT them anyways so they can theoretically notify us if there is a problem.

    so of course that creates/enables the problem and doesn't notify us.

    deliciously ironic and rottingly sad.

    this case was egregious - built-in backdoor pw - but that is downstream of the decisions to IoT them and to default them to listen on the network.

    • esikich 8 minutes ago
      Electricity is expensive. Grocery stores work on extremely thin margins with stock that literally turns rotten. These are physical devices that need maintenance. Their failure is often catastrophic. Grocery store workers are not equipped to fix an HVAC system. Someone needs to monitor for preventative maintenance.

      I can't understand the mindset that would treat this as a trivial problem. What's sad is your confidence in giving this situation a 5 second take and declaring the whole thing stupid. Yes, security was clearly an issue, but saying that monitoring of critical infrastructure is sad is bizarre.

      • hmartin 4 minutes ago
        I wish I could upvote this comment more
  • achillean 59 minutes ago
    From 2017 through 2022 there was a large increase in the number of exposed refrigerators:

    https://trends.shodan.io/search?query=http.favicon.hash:-853...

    Over the past few years it has fluctuated but not the same continued growth as before. If you don't have a Shodan account you can see a chart on twitter:

    https://x.com/shodanhq/status/2110526116679021055

  • drillsteps5 46 minutes ago
    To be fair, their entire threat model was likely "who TF would want to break in to change the settings on a thermostat on a fridge at a grocery store".

    A valid question which has yet to be answered (at least not publicly).

    • pstuart 32 minutes ago
      Some threat actor that demands quick payment or their perishables perish?
      • drillsteps5 19 minutes ago
        It's a fridge. In a grocery store. You just get an employee to adjust the thermostat dial. How would the hackers demand payment if all you need to do is turn the dial back to "frozen"???

        Edit: Yes i know the commercial fridges do not have "dials" and it's more involved. Still, if you have physical access to the thing, there's nothing that can be done from the outside that you can't revert.

        • masfuerte 12 minutes ago
          > Still, if you have physical access to the thing, there's nothing that can be done from the outside that you can't revert.

          Sure, with time and expertise. How does the average employee adjust the virtual thermostat on fifty network-controlled fridges before the food goes bad?

  • paustint 30 minutes ago
    When looters smash the glass door, it's pretty obvious the vulnerability has been there for YEARS!
    • tantalor 7 minutes ago
      Why bother breaking through the glass front, when most places of business have a very obvious back door just waiting.
  • joshuat 31 minutes ago
    I'm not one to draw causality, but this vulnerability seems to have had quite the effect on France
  • l-mdev 3 minutes ago
    suck it jian yang
  • fhdkweig 54 minutes ago
    This is either a dupe or a followup of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50055304 from 8 days ago with 1007 comments
    • tomalbrc 48 minutes ago
      Consider reading TFA
  • anonym29 34 minutes ago
    List of legitimate reasons for a refrigerator, an oven, a stove, a washing or drying machine, a microwave, a coffee maker, a sink, a garbage disposal, a toilet, a shower or bathtub, or any other home appliance to be connected to the internet:
  • Cameri 1 hour ago
    Does this amount to gross negligence?
    • seekup 35 minutes ago
      even worse: it's grocer's negligence
    • emot 1 hour ago
      hard to say who’s to blame: stores, installers or the vendor. most of these dashboards sat online for months, only 195 of 1,331 had every fix, and 76% went offline within days of the attack (disconnecting was possible all along, it seems).
    • UltraSane 44 minutes ago
      Not isolating the refrigerator API from the Internet seems very negligent.
    • jon128 21 minutes ago
      [dead]
    • reincoder 1 hour ago
      [flagged]
  • NordStreamYacht 38 minutes ago
    Backdoors on French fridges? I think they have a bigger problem right now with their front doors.