Why Texas Is Making Data Centers Wait

(a16z.com)

21 points | by gmays 2 hours ago

7 comments

  • Rapzid 12 minutes ago
    474 GW!!! Good God that's at LEAST the 5x our peak winter demand for the entire state.

    And they want to mostly power it with on site GAS?!

    What is even happening.

  • KaiserPro 1 minute ago
    the TLDR is that the current historic peak supply of the texas grid is around 100gw. The queue of datacenter demand is 460gw.

    If the new capacity uses gas to deliver the power it will consume more gas than the USA exported last year.

    So basically it will drive up costs _globally_ to a comic scale, for limited return (its already expensive to train new models, this will make it ruinously expensive to both train _and_ run)

  • seereadhack 23 minutes ago
    FYI the Texas grid produces the most power of any state, twice as much in fact as either California or Florida.
    • schneems 15 minutes ago
      It is also poorly regulated and failed recently and killed several hundreds of people.

      Oh, and the energy market that underpins the Texas grid was designed by Enron, literally.

      https://www.npr.org/podcasts/1004840920/the-disconnect-power...

      • AustinDev 11 minutes ago
        The power has been great since the freeze. Market forces fixed the problems. People were making $9,000/kwh at times. That's never going to happen again.
        • schneems 1 minute ago
          Do you live there? I do. Do you get the texts from ERCOT saying "if you don't turn off some shit the grid will fail due to the weather" several times a year. I do.

          > "Great since the freeze"

          I take it you know nothing about the back story and didn't listen to the podcast. Prior to this "great freeze" there was another "great freeze" and thing went well for a long time between them until they didn't. Virtually nothing structural that caused the conditions of the failure have changed.

        • jasonlotito 6 minutes ago
          > Market forces fixed the problems.

          With zero threats from government?

          • AustinDev 4 minutes ago
            From what I can tell a bunch of batteries, solar and wind came online since then not sure if the govt was involved or not.
  • newsy888 37 minutes ago
    This entire essay is so obviously Claude
    • scuppernong 19 minutes ago
      Pangram says mostly human
    • doctorpangloss 16 minutes ago
      Seems so. AI is unlikely to make A16Z cheaper, if anything, we might see the first 4-and-40 fund from them next year. As long as the Senate is controlled by Republicans and the Fed is led by Warsh.
    • skrrtww 26 minutes ago
      I totally disagree? It seems quite human-written on the contrary; I don't see any strained metaphors, weird word usage or other AI hallmarks.
      • drdrey 4 minutes ago
        the graphs are pretty clearly made and labeled with AI
    • dieselgate 23 minutes ago
      It might be worth reviewing the site guidelines around shallow comments of this nature. There are much more substantive elements to comment on.

      https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

      • pif 19 minutes ago
        A comment preventing fellow readers from wasting their time is not shallow.
  • bob1029 40 minutes ago
    Space-based compute is starting to look less crazy every day.

    This is not just a wild-eyed thing invented by HN's favorite bad guy.

    https://research.google/blog/exploring-a-space-based-scalabl...

    • xphos 16 minutes ago
      Why would putting data center in space solve these problems? I feel like this is a total non sequitur. The solution is pay for more substations and power generation. This problem exists there regardless of space based compute and let me tell you the space based compute would 1000000x more expensive because you still need to build everything required in the current solution except in space! Its just not a real response to a lack of investment into infrastructure. And that means asking business to pay for the infrastrure they need as a collective industry.
      • jetbalsa 7 minutes ago
        I think they are thinking of something of a poorly designed Dyson Swarm, the plebs who came up with it think that with "cheap" launches, no permits really, and free* power, it might really come out in the wash and be easier to scale.

        Is it a good idea? Most likely not, the amount of issues they are going to have is going to be amazing.

    • orsorna 21 minutes ago
      Maybe if HN's favorite bad guy said the quiet part out loud about exploring space compute to avoid regulation...instead of making bombastic claims about possible technical efficacy. I'm not really interested in giving credit to leaders that lie about their motives. Note the blog you linked doesn't mention this either.
    • dgellow 18 minutes ago
      Not really, no. It still look absurd and a way to lobby local governments. Nothing has changed. It’s really just a way to say „let us do whatever we want, how we want, or we go to space“.
    • tuveson 2 minutes ago
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  • jqpabc123 2 hours ago
    Rhetoric meets reality.

    Texas rolled out the red carpet to corporate interests --- and then discovered that their electrical grid operation is totally inadequate to deal with the impact.

    This is just one isolated example of a much larger issue related to the "AI race".

    AI is power intensive and the "winner" of the "AI race" is likely be whoever can produce lower cost power and lots of it.

  • jmclnx 45 minutes ago
    >The upcoming election is part of it, but the underlying issues are worth digging into.

    Well we will know for sure on Nov 4 :) But I expect 99.999% of the reason is Midterms, that way politicians can say "We are stopping Data Centers". I expect that will change once they have to account for their bribes, known as political contributions in the US.

    • ourmandave 29 minutes ago
      The tell is so obvious. All the GOP candidates distancing themselves from Trump and saying data centers are bad.

      Normally that would earn you a 2AM all caps tweet labeling you a RINO or worse, and getting primaried. Instead, not a peep.

      Which tells you its a ruse and he's in on it.

    • ethagnawl 36 minutes ago
      There are a few dipshit NY pols playing this game right now. They have their signs and literature out touting their "votes to (temporarily) stop data centers".
    • babypuncher 40 minutes ago
      Absolutely, as soon as the midterms are over these corrupt buttnuggets will roll right back over and let the data center construction resume unabated.