Rejection Sensitivity in Gifted and Twice-Exceptional Children

(teachyourkids.substack.com)

46 points | by actfrench 2 hours ago

9 comments

  • bonsai_spool 57 minutes ago
    One should be careful with vibe-written / vibe-aided articles here. Who knows what is actually supported vs what sounded okay and the author (who is not a clinician) then signed off on.

    Even the core idea, 'rejection sensitivity' is acknowledged not to be a diagnostic entity: so then how can we make definitive comparisons? Maybe clinical gestalt... but the author is not trained to see and evalaute patients.

    • mobilejdral 37 minutes ago
      100%, you can't have a section titled

      > Why It Happens: The Mechanics Underneath the Reaction

      And then don't talk about Mechanics, but instead no citations just guess. For anyone that actually wants something to go learn more about checkout the frequency of NCAH and the resulting blunted cortisol response as one thing that is influencing this.

      https://www.nature.com/articles/s42003-024-06102-y#MOESM3 Plasmalogen, B5, 12-HETE, Androsterone sulfate, etc are all related to the functioning of the HPA-Axis.

      https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19598235/ <- CYP11B1 specifically here

      Anecdotally: I worked at a software company that had free snacks in the office kitchen and would always chuckle how the salt snacks would run out first. The connection being NCAH can result in less aldosterone which helps regulate salt in the body.

    • adamsb6 18 minutes ago
      Is this all that unusual for the field of education research?

      Vibe writing may be an improvement. I doubt frontier models would go along with whole language reading instruction without a tremendous amount of pushback.

      For those not in the know, a generation of children were taught to read sans phonics. They were told to do things like guess at words based on pictures or context clues. Some lessons had teachers covering words up and asking kids to use guessing strategies at what they might be.

    • RobotToaster 54 minutes ago
      Rejection sensitivity dysphoria is an acknowledged trait of ADHD.
      • giantg2 7 minutes ago
        That doesn't invalidate the parent's point. We can still question if the details and way it is presented is accurate.
  • JSR_FDED 1 hour ago
    I recognize many of these behaviors from my childhood. Fortunately I’ve grown out of most of them. These ways of framing issues and feedback are very valuable, even in adult life.
  • sssilver 23 minutes ago
    Can someone explain whether these are physiological / chemical issues, or whether they are a matter of the things your brain "knows", your neural network, and therefore can be transformed by the power of thoughts?

    In other, more blunt terms, is this a "hardware" or a "software" issue?

  • cgio 1 hour ago
    An almost trifecta. I am almost gifted, autism and adhd ( or add, you wouldn’t call me hyperactive…). My trick was to “use” my autism to filter out rejection clues. I am still sensitive in a sense, can get obsessed over detail of something that could be perceived as a rejection, but I actively refuse parsing anything as such. People tell me I am over-confident to a fault.
    • willismichael 33 minutes ago
      The "hyperactive" part of ADHD is kind of a misnomer, or at least doesn't mean hyperactive in the way that most people understand the word. Think of it more as a tendency to hyperfocus on specific things, often correlated with completely ignoring other things.
    • notnaut 49 minutes ago
      Very interesting. I’m in the same boat with a little more hyperactive and a little less autism. I never learned the filtering thing and I feel nearly as sensitive and doubtful as I did as a kid. It leaves me to dwell on everything and rarely make firm decisions, so I have the opposite problem.
    • notrealyme123 35 minutes ago
      How do you use autism to filter something? Did you train this?
      • JonChesterfield 15 minutes ago
        That's the wrong baseline. If you start out oblivious that people are telling you things (with their expression, or with the noises they're making) you get that filter for free. The work is in _not_ filtering out such things. First you have to realise that's a thing (somehow? good luck with the bootstrap), then learn to pay attention, then try to make sense of the result.
  • r_lee 1 hour ago
    the perfectionism and need for control is very true.

    I think with the rejection and criticism it's not so much about the actual criticism but the idea of what the other person now thinks/operates on, while they might gloss over it, you might assume the worst case scenario and think that now they're against you and you have to win them over again

    I'd say in general the concepts of "it's not a big deal" "it's probably nothing major" etc. don't seem to register

  • adaml_623 1 hour ago
    Did anybody know of good resources for this sort of thing in adults?
    • JonChesterfield 14 minutes ago
      Talking to software engineers about it has a pretty good hit rate for personal anecdotes.
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