13 comments

  • brightball 42 minutes ago
    Chart of strategic reserve levels since 1982, for context

    https://en.macromicro.me/charts/41674/us-strategic-petroleum...

    • mahboi 19 minutes ago
      Beware the Y axis not starting at 0. But it's still an insane drop.

        Highcharts.charts.forEach(chart => { if (chart) chart.yAxis.forEach(axis => axis.update({ min: 0 })); });
    • pstuart 9 minutes ago
      It looks like it started to plummet in April 2022, which was on Biden's watch (disclaimer: I voted for him). It apparently was in response to supply chain shocks spiking oil prices due to the start of the war in Ukraine.

      Having the AI summarize the pros and cons of that action has valid points on both sides. But in his defense, that particular war was not of our doing, unlike the current war with Iran which was initiated impulsively.

      • hadlock 0 minutes ago
        Selling oil out of the SPR is the new One Weird Trick Military Planners Hate! Biden was a generally fine president, but pulling oil out of the SPR to balance the budget was an extremely ugly way to do it, and hopefully that loophole gets plugged going forward.
      • Gigachad 7 minutes ago
        Trump spoke about this publicly, promising he would "fill the reserves right up to the top", then when in power, didn't do that but instead started a war with Iran while the reserves were still low.

        It's mind boggling how stupid it all is.

    • Avicebron 34 minutes ago
      Yikes.
    • King-Aaron 29 minutes ago
      That is just mind boggling.
    • safety1st 8 minutes ago
      The counterpoint is that the US is producing more crude domestically than ever with more efficient drilling technology:

      https://www.oilmonster.com/article/more-productive-wells-spu...

      Insofar as I can tell what's really reflected here is a difference between Democrat and Republican policy positions. The Democrats want to minimize domestic environmental impact and be a net oil importer. Let someone else handle the dirty work of drilling. The Republicans are less concerned with the environmental impact and want to increase exports, oil jobs and economic sovereignty. With higher domestic production and less dependence on foreign states, such a large petroleum reserve is unnecessary.

      I prefer the Republican position. It sucks to harm the environment. But it sucks more to enable some of the regimes we import oil from. They frequently are not close allies. We frequently end up immersing ourself in wars and other entanglements over this foreign oil. You want to stop the wars, you have to stop the dependence on imported oil. (To be clear I'm not arguing that Republicans will start less wars, or are a more moral party. I am arguing in favor of domestic oil production because it removes a justification for war.)

      The Democratic position exports the moral hazard to a place where Americans don't see it. Takes it out of their backyard. But frankly that is an immoral approach which both parties have taken repeatedly and it has undermined the health of the nation. The other case where this takes place at an absolutely massive scale is exporting certain types of jobs to other countries where labor standards are lax, and where slave labor takes place. People out there killed themselves while making iPhone or your shoes because the working conditions in those countries were so horrible. I am willing to pay a little more for shoes and buy a little bit fewer luxury goods so that I don't enable slave labor. Move the jobs back onshore where we can regulate the well being of the workers. We can't control it if it's in another country.

  • tmellon2 6 minutes ago
    We can simply get rid of most oil - Just ONE square mile of batteries and a TOTAL of 100 x 100 square miles of Solar can power the entire USA 24/7.

    It is because of world wide adoption of EVs that the fossil fuel demand has reduced and stabilized gas prices in the US.

    See : https://ember-energy.org/latest-insights/batteries-have-unlo...

  • thelastgallon 7 minutes ago
    Global oil prices haven't skyrocketed so far thanks to China inverting the OPEC strategy of keeping prices up by destroying supply.

    China stopped/reduced buying, used their large reserves, EVs and now accelerating EV trucks. And also coal to liquids.

    Eventually, China may have to start buying and thats when the fun begins.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/09/17/business/energy-environme...

    https://oilprice.com/Energy/Coal/Chinas-Renewable-Boom-Masks...

    China is now the world’s great oil power. Forget OPEC. The Chinese Communist Party calls the shots. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49238158

  • yanhangyhy 4 minutes ago
    how about the oil from Venezuela?
  • consensus1 9 minutes ago
    The headline is hiding the fact that this was a fairly modest 400K bbl draw for the week.
  • Ifkaluva 17 minutes ago
    And winter is coming
    • gpt5 13 minutes ago
      Crude oil demand peaks in summer, not winter
  • davidw 16 minutes ago
    I am frankly a bit bewildered by all this. The US administration lies and lies. The Iranians lie. Doomers keep talking about how gas prices will skyrocket "in two weeks". Occasionally the "everything is fine, nothing to see here" folks wheel out some journalist saying there will be a peace deal any day now.

    It's pretty difficult to figure out what the reality is besides "not good".

    • bawolff 8 minutes ago
      If anyone knew for sure they would make a killing at the stock market.

      However we dont know what the future holds. All sorts of factors affect what is going to happen. Will china continue to import less? Will the houthis be able to stop Saudi exports long term or is it just a short term issue? Will USA be able to guard ships passing through the strait? Will Iran face some sort of internal collapse? Will USA pack up and go home? Will other countries be drawn into this war?

      Nobody can tell you what is really "going on" because nobody knows what the future holds and uncertainty is high.

    • hedora 12 minutes ago
      Diesel touched $8.99/gal this week. I want to know what happens when the sign runs out of digits at $10.

      Is it tied to the cash register? Will the pumps run out of digits too? Will they still be able to sell gas?

      One thing I can say: My F150 won’t care. It runs off solar.

      • ghurtado 1 minute ago
        > . I want to know what happens when the sign runs out of digits at $10.

        If you liked Y2K, you're gonna love 2.2f!

  • dyauspitr 25 minutes ago
    They’ve ruined us.
    • CamperBob2 23 minutes ago
      He is indistinguishable from an attack by hostile foreign agents. A very successful attack.
  • andriy_koval 27 minutes ago
    looks like gasoline will skyrocket very soon very badly..
    • conductr 3 minutes ago
      As has been predicted for months, I don’t recall where i read it but November has been in my brain for when this crisis is going to start.
  • drTobiasFunke 17 minutes ago
    Thos year’s drop is terrible, but we know the reason. Anybody know why the big drop in 2021-22?
    • rootusrootus 4 minutes ago
      Same reason as today, trying to counter high energy prices.
    • vkou 7 minutes ago
      Trump got all the oil producers together in a room and put together a deal to restrict oil production during COVID.

      This, naturally, resulted in higher oil prices, which the Republican party blamed Biden for.

      They truly have no shame.

  • za3faran 25 minutes ago
    Brought to you by the epestein war
  • selectodude 29 minutes ago
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  • bix6 25 minutes ago
    So seriously, what is the administrations intention here? They’ve used all the missiles and drained all the gas. Are they trying to get the U.S. invaded?
    • King-Aaron 14 minutes ago
      Project 2025 fairly implicitly stated that the idea was to scuttle trust in the US government so badly that there would be a case for private equity to swoop in and save the day. That's what you're seeing.
    • partiallypro 2 minutes ago
      It's actually shocking that so many comments don't know that the biggest draw -by far- happened under the Biden administration largely as a result of the Ukrainian War. In 2020 when the SPR wasn't full and oil was literally negative, Congress blocked the administration from buying oil to fill it.

      I get the Iran war part (though the bigger issue there is middle distillerates rather then crude atm), but people were screaming about the SPR drawdown, and lack of buying for 4 years before Trump ever got back into office; and it fell completely on deaf ears.

    • toomuchtodo 24 minutes ago
      Keep fuel prices low enough using the SPR to try to not lose at midterms. They don’t care what happens after, just as they don’t care about their constituents losing their Medicaid.

      The cost of putting unsophisticated grifters in the ultimate position of power.

      ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

      (Green New Deal via incompetence)

      • bawolff 19 minutes ago
        If you want to be unreasonably sympathetic to the trump admin, they could be assuming that iran et al are trying to hold out until the election on the belief that that might change something (see also the timing of houthi offensive and attacks on saudi arabia), and that if trump get over the hump of the election, iran no longer has a way to affect anything short term and will throw in the towel as they lack the ability to hold out long term.

        Personally i think trump does not have a plan, but if you tried to sanewash it, i think that is the best rationale i've been able to find.

        • nl 9 minutes ago
          I think the general interpretation that both sides think something will change after the midterms is reasonable.

          But

          > Iran et al are trying to hold out until the election

          > [Iran will] throw in the towel as they lack the ability to hold out long term

          is something that I don't think even the most thoughtless parts of the administration really think right?

          It's obvious that Iran is winning, not close to throwing in the towel. The US is reduced to trying to get the Straights of Hormuz open without paying a toll to Iran, which is a worse position than the US was in at the start of the war.

      • mahboi 21 minutes ago
        Shouldn't they at least care about the presidential election 2 years after that?
        • rectang 10 minutes ago
          There have been Republican elected representatives who have confronted Trump. With very few exceptions, they have gone down to defeat in subsequent Republican primary elections.

          The Republican electorate will not stand for Trump being constrained or criticized by Republicans. That's why there are almost no remaining Republican elected officials who are willing to confront the Trump administration aside from a handful of lame ducks like Tillis and Massie.

          Functionally, the Republican congress is unable to hold the Trump administration to account, because Republican voters have ensured that it cannot. The only way Trump will ever be constrained is via Democrats.

        • platevoltage 8 minutes ago
          At this point I think they're planning on letting Democrats sweep the midterms, having things get even worse over the next 2 years, which is inevitable, and blaming the entire thing on Democratic obstruction. Their voters are dumb enough to believe it.
        • toomuchtodo 20 minutes ago
          Why? He can’t run again or will die of natural causes, and the cult support goes with him when he goes.

          https://x.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/727604522156228608

          > If we nominate Trump, we will get destroyed.......and we will deserve it. —- Lindsey Graham, May 3, 2016

          • bawolff 17 minutes ago
            The people in his admin certainly want to. It seems like Vance and Rubio are already subtley trying to position themselves for eventually running.
          • autoexec 7 minutes ago
            I don't share your optimism. I mean, yeah, he's doing to die soon, but his followers will just be suckered by the next con man who follows his very basic playbook.
          • mahboi 17 minutes ago
            I meant the Republican Party should care. I get why Trump doesn't.
            • Barrin92 4 minutes ago
              most of them have been replaced, or are threatened to be replaced if they don't tow the party line.

              It's not a traditional party in the American sense any more, there's no real policy making behind the scenes, it's basically the Trump family enriching itself and a rabid base enabling it. The institutional part that supposed to be the brain of the whole operation has left the building

      • kraken_cult 21 minutes ago
        They aren't winning the midterms with this. Hopefully the grifter hopefuls will take the lesson to heart.
      • idiotsecant 19 minutes ago
        SPR cannot meaningfully lower prices at the pump. It's simply not big enough. The only thing that does that is an end to the war.
        • bawolff 13 minutes ago
          Also price of oil isn't the only factor. Refineries going offline is a major factor in price at the pump, and there are a lot of refineries in the middle east. Its not just the price of unrefined oil.
        • toomuchtodo 17 minutes ago
          Certainly, just like the Treasury is attempting to manipulate debt costs with their bond market interventions. Both are illusions of effort, both ineffective.

          “Extend and pretend.” Luckily, we’re almost out of runway, both with oil and the bond market. Natural consequences are required to encourage improved outcomes.

          (The war will not end until Iran decides to end it, just as Ukraine can lob drones at Russian refineries and oil terminals forever)

          • hedora 9 minutes ago
            Iran and the Houthis both have to stop the war before all the Middle East supply chains start turning back on.

            The US is winning on so many fronts these days, it’s getting hard to track. /s

    • treis 10 minutes ago
      Most of the draw down was after Russia invaded Ukraine. This drawdown is a swap of 1 barrel now for 1.25 barrels later. So the intention is to keep prices down now and get more oil back later for "free".