Ask HN: Who's still keeping a DOS machine up because the business depends on it?

Do you currently work with or know anyone who is still using:

* dBase/Clipper/CLARION/Paradox/other DOS RAD environments on period hardware to run business processes?

* CNC mills/spectrometers/microscopes/other industrial instruments controlled by ISA cards (either bespoke or standards like GPIB)?

* Anything with a parallel port dongle?

If so, I'd be very interested in hearing your experience here, or feel free to send me an email at the address in my profile. I'm not trying to sell anything, just doing some research for an idea around keeping these going on modern hardware.

39 points | by mlaux 3 hours ago

13 comments

  • freeli 4 minutes ago
    A certain nuclear power plant had a Windows NT 4.0 machine running as late as 2007. The reason is interesting.

    The machine's purpose was to report status of the control rods that mitigate nuclear reactions. Basically, "are the rods inserted, and if so, how many / how far?". I want to emphasize that this was reporting only, NOT control.

    The original software was written back in the 80's, when the plant was originally commissioned, for AmigaOS. Of course, it's hard to buy Amigas anymore, and the original one died long ago (nobody remembers when).

    So in the mid '90s, the utility purchased an AmigaOS emulator that ran on Windows NT 4.0, which was current at the time. The emulator (IIRC) was developed by a firm in the UK. The firm went out of business sometime in the late '90s. The control rod monitoring software ran under this emulator on top of NT4.

    Windows NT 4.0 was the last OS to allow the emulation software direct access to the physical hardware that produced the status signal. Later versions of Windows abstracted the hardware access away, and the monitoring software broke. Because the emulation company had gone belly up, there was no way to fix the incompatibility.

    So the utility had a choice: get new hardware/software certified (by NRC?), or keep doing what they were doing with the software (and hardware) that they had. They chose the latter.

    So this is how, in 2007, during a tour of the facility, I stumbled across a Pentium 1 system running an AmigaOS emulator on Windows NT 4.0 that was responsible for displaying the status of the control rods of a nuclear power plant.

    Spare hardware for this setup was purchased off of eBay and stocked on an adjacent shelf.

  • MarkSweep 0 minutes ago
    A company I used to work at still ships a piece of hardware with an Intel 186 microcontroller in it. The compilers are 16-bit DOS applications and the tool to program the DIP packages with the program was also a DOS application. I’m not sure what the physical interface between the programmer and computer was.
  • andix 14 minutes ago
    I had to keep an old clipper/dbase application running until recently. It worked perfectly seamless with vdos (vdos.info). It's commercial software, but very reasonably priced. Dosbox is another alternative, but didn't work as well with printing and I think also wasn't able to do row locking of dBASE databases over the network.
  • sgerenser 31 minutes ago
    Does the idea make use of https://86box.net? Just heard of this recently on hn and it seems promising for anything that requires low level/cycle accurate emulation vs. your typical high level emulator.
  • nanochess 19 minutes ago
    I've an AMD K5 processor machine running at 100 mhz. for testing Transputer ISA cards when someone buys one, I also use the same machine to format and copy my Pascal compiler into a pair of 5 1/4" floppy disks. All using DOS.
    • bartread 11 minutes ago
      > Transputer ISA cards when someone buys one

      Your use of “when” is interesting - suggests it’s not that occasional. Wonder what people are doing with these nowadays.

  • DASD 42 minutes ago
    Perhaps look into environmental services labs that do contract EPA work. I would not be surprised to see entire HP-Agilent(ISA-carded) - (think liquid chromotography analyzers) fleets that would match what you're looking for.
  • ynac 30 minutes ago
    It's not totally for business, but I run some antennae and radio telescopes that feed through a Gateway 386/33/16MB RAM. As well as a Getac, no idea what model, but it's from the early 2000s. They both feed through to a A/B switched Paradise CRT (so cute). dBase is on the list.
  • smackeyacky 30 minutes ago
    I know of a DOS machine at a wool testing place that uses an ISA card based imager for measuring the micron and other things. They also have a supporting DOS machine with a dBase looking database on it. When I spoke to the owner he didn’t really understand the risks involved in running ancient hardware and in fact had a storage room with period PCs in it if the machines failed. He didn’t have much of a backup plan for the imaging hardware though.

    My opinion is that if these guys are still running this gear, they already have a strategy in place (no matter how flawed) and would likely retire before throwing money at something they consider a non problem.

    Good luck with the idea. It likely is a tiny niche market with customisation for every customer and given they are normally hardware constrained AI may not be much of a help.

    All of them have no money as well.

    • Dwedit 11 minutes ago
      You can still get ISA slots on systems as new as Broadwell with an adapter.
  • reaperducer 18 minutes ago
    Not DOS, but my company has a Windows XP machine with a dialup connection that I have to keep running for obtuse legal reasons.

    If it goes down, the company gets fined. It happened in the gap between my predecessor leaving, and me being hired.

    • andix 11 minutes ago
      Is it a physical machine and not a VM? I already had issues with getting XP compatible spare parts years ago. Had to buy used parts that were already pretty old (so high risk of failing again).
      • reaperducer 9 minutes ago
        It's a physical machine.

        Fortunately, I don't have to deal with swapping parts. There's an outside contractor on call 24/7 for that.

        The last time I saw it was about two years ago when I taped yet another piece of paper to the filing cabinet it sits on reading "DO NOT TURN OFF UNDER PENALTY OF LAW!"

        Someone keeps taking the paper down.

  • al_borland 14 minutes ago
    It’s gone now, but we used to have a random OS/2 box well past the point where that was extremely weird.
  • sippingabonedry 37 minutes ago
    Does BART still run on 5.25" floppies?
  • Alex131313 22 minutes ago
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  • huflungdung 25 minutes ago
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