Goodbye Google

(robert.ocallahan.org)

87 points | by Murmuring9087 1 hour ago

18 comments

  • jacobgold 2 minutes ago
    > I really enjoyed the work, and for a while I told myself it was relatively harmless, but over time God forced me to confront the reality that the main impact of these tools will be to accelerate the design of a new breed of AI chips...

    There's no arguing with someone who claims God forced them to do something, but I do wish this person good luck in whatever they do next.

  • danpalmer 4 minutes ago
    As much as I cannot disagree more with the author's fundamental premise (religion), it is refreshing to see someone claim to have a belief and then follow through, change their behaviour to match their belief, at no small cost to themselves, and in pursuit of doing the right thing.
  • grahar64 9 minutes ago
    If you think humans are a net positive to be around, you wouldn't be spending trillions trying to build a machine to replace them; not just their work, but all aspects of their lives.
  • jdub 29 minutes ago
    Congratulations and commiserations.

    Perhaps a good thing to come out of these big companies over-indexing on "AI" is the liberation of creative minds. So many fantastic open source contributors have disappeared into corporate black holes...

  • fnord77 5 minutes ago
    [delayed]
  • sreekanth850 11 minutes ago
    AI will bring mass un employment and economic chaos and civil war in next 10 years.
  • heinternets 30 minutes ago
    Is it consuming too much science fiction that has people thinking like this?
    • bananaflag 16 minutes ago
      Is it consuming too little science fiction that has people thinking like this?
    • cromka 15 minutes ago
      The guy was an insider for years but you call him a noob who just read a fantasy book?
    • danpalmer 7 minutes ago
      The religion part or the AI criticism part?
    • King-Aaron 16 minutes ago
      I think the scepticism and gaslighting of people sounding the alarm over the trajectory of AI is concerning. This feels like a case of "knowing better" than the actual people involved in the projects.

      You might be right. You might be wrong. But being overly confident on a topic you're a spectator to is possibly not the right choice.

  • bigyabai 42 minutes ago
    > my team’s goal is ultimately to make AI much cheaper and lower-latency, and I don’t think that’s good for people right now

    I have a lot of bones to pick with Google's morality, but "democratizing the transformer and LLMs" is at the bottom of my list.

    • isodev 33 minutes ago
      So far, 100% of things "democratized" by big tech have been bad for people.
      • doh 19 minutes ago
        Anytime you use absolutes you paint yourself in a corner. Definitely not 100% of things that big tech "democratized", as you put it, has been bad for people.

        Presenting it as such does disservice to any serious conversation.

      • grahar64 7 minutes ago
        Very little "AI discovered cure for cancer" articles these days, more "10,000 workers let go, to be replaced with chat bots"
      • bigyabai 25 minutes ago
        Oh, that's true. I just remembered that I hate Gmail, Google Maps, YouTube, Android, Gemma, Google Docs and free CalDAV syncing.

        Woe is me, victim of the 21st century separated from my true calling of paying for software.

        Edit (rate limited):

        > Does Gemma belong to this list?

        Yes, and Tensorflow too.

        • charamis 23 minutes ago
          Does Gemma belong to this list? Not that impactful
        • nvme0n1p1 20 minutes ago
          There's no free lunch. You're paying one way or another.
          • doh 18 minutes ago
            Welcome to the capitalism 101. Everything has price. So far, I would say, humanity done quite well under this _oppressive_ regime when compared with others.
  • kylehotchkiss 13 minutes ago
    respect for choosing your faith over your work man! I'm trying to find the intersection of my faith and the new tech too. Feel free to email if you ever wanna chat it out.
  • gbriel 3 minutes ago
    Thanks for living your values. I might not fully agree but I appreciate people whose convictions are genuine and altruistic.

    Sometimes people use the "Yet you participate in society" meme as a shield for blatant hypocrisy, like a Marxist-Leninist Twitch streamer who lives in a multi-million Hollywood mansion, drives a Porsche and wears thousand dollar pants.

  • bobajeff 25 minutes ago
    I for one cannot be convinced that these companies saying they want to slow down AI progress is for the safety of mankind (or any other altruistic reason). However, I respect someone willing to give up a very comfortable career for his convictions.
    • geraneum 13 minutes ago
      I’d wait and see what happens next in their professional life. It’d be ironic if they founded a new AI startup or something like that.
  • nalekberov 33 minutes ago
    [flagged]
    • cromka 11 minutes ago
      > or they don’t they understand that it’s mostly marketing stunt.

      Understanding implies having some factual information, proof, data, hard evidence. Meanwhile you frame your conspiracy theory as such and are surprised people don't see it the same way?

    • mindwok 25 minutes ago
      If someone did exist who was sincere and not fear-mongering, but was terrified of AI, what would their post need to look like for you to take it seriously?
      • nalekberov 17 minutes ago
        If you think it’s wrong, just leave, who needs your fearmongering when it doesn’t even move the needle?

        Or you think, those scumbag billionaires will care more when people fear more?

        • goda90 6 minutes ago
          Do you think there's another planet people can leave to?
          • nalekberov 1 minute ago
            What is the point you are trying to make?
    • Arainach 20 minutes ago
      What's fearmongering? There's no claim that AI will destroy the world here - only a claim that cheap omnipresent AI will make most of society worse - which is hard to dispute.
      • stingraycharles 7 minutes ago
        And Google’s ad-driven money-making machine is making society worse as well, but OP had no problem with this.

        It’s a bit of a fad to do these things in the name of AI. I think it’s great OP chooses a more fulfilling life that will surely make them happier, but it feels a bit pretentious.

      • nalekberov 16 minutes ago
        Wasn’t that clear from the very beginning?
  • _giorgio_ 23 minutes ago
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    • nvme0n1p1 19 minutes ago
      Ten years? Can you refresh my memory, what were the top LLMs in 2016?
    • hiddencost 20 minutes ago
      IDK man, have you read the Bible? I don't think that's really the Jesus model laid out there.
  • felipelalli 24 minutes ago
    More PR marketing disguised as reality. Does anyone actually believe this bullshit?
    • cromka 9 minutes ago
      Who's doing that PR marketing here? Google? Who's the actor? Cui bono?
  • tgma 10 minutes ago
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    • frotaur 7 minutes ago
      I think this take is extremely cynical and made in bad faith. Lots of dangers that are due to AI acceleration are raised by a very wide mix of experts, scientists, engineers and researchers.

      It is clearly incorrect to call it a conspiracy theory. You can be skeptical, as there is no clear consensus even among experts, but outright dismissal is simply an unscientific position.

      • neya 3 minutes ago
        As an aside, this was the most eloquent, professional, polite and concise disagreement on HN I've seen in decades. I genuinely aspire to have this level of class and character in public discourse. Bookmarking this comment as reference for the future :)
      • tgma 5 minutes ago
        I did not call it a conspiracy theory; not here at least. Have you even read what Ted Kaczynski has written? Perhaps you'd like some of it if you do. I bet he's also smarter than your average Anthropic employee.
        • mxkopy 4 minutes ago
          Even his writing is derivative of the Slandered Luddites
  • moezd 10 minutes ago
    Yet another "AI must be stopped" post... If you're burned out, just say so. Don't philosophise. No, we're not buying that your latest model can almost replace all software engineers. It's us working with the harnesses, adding guardrails etc that make this agentic world possible for everyone.
  • JV00 11 minutes ago
    I would rather have killer robots then religious fanatics.
    • sschueller 8 minutes ago
      All in AI people are like religious fanatics...
    • kleiba2 2 minutes ago
      Not everyone who's religious is a fanatic.

      The reverse also holds, btw.

  • MrThoughtful 18 minutes ago
    Isn't AI just the next step in the history of evolution?

    I have the feeling it is inevitable that a new species will take over Earth. Just as humans took over a hundred thousand years ago. Now a species even more capable of thinking is coming up.

    Thinking a million times faster. Knowing a million times more. Able to wrap its head around a million times more aspects at the same time.

    A strong effort to slow it down might slow it down a bit. But does that really make a difference? It's not like we can "brace" ourselves from what is coming. Would the apes have been able to prepare for the arrival of humans if they had had 5 more years?

    • zorked 16 minutes ago
      Well, if Robert O'Callahan reads your post, I am pretty positive he will think he made the right choice.
    • goda90 10 minutes ago
      There's no new species being created here. A tool has been made. Either humanity will wipe itself out using said tool, destroy the tool, or learn to live with the tool.
    • bryanrasmussen 12 minutes ago
      conceivably you could say humans took over 6000 years ago.

      At any rate it can't be a new step in the history of evolution, as AI did not evolve in the same way as other species did and AI is not a species nor alive.

    • charamis 9 minutes ago
      Would make me too uncomfortable to work with and for people with such opinions.
    • orphereus 12 minutes ago
      Wow. You should touch grass if you have this opinion.
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