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  • A_D_E_P_T 1 hour ago
    Zuse is probably the most under-appreciated thinker of the 20th century. Everybody's heard of Claude Shannon, von Neumann, Feynman, and all the rest of 'em, but Zuse's enormous contributions have received rather little attention.

    To summarize a couple of the highlights:

    In 1936 Germany, Konrad Zuse began developing the Z1, a mechanical calculating machine programmed via perforated 35mm film. By 1937, he had broadened its architecture toward universal digital computation in the vein of Alan Turing. Although completed in 1938, the machine struggled with mechanical inaccuracies -- the same challenge which plagued Charles Babbage's much earlier work on the Difference Engine. Zuse overcame these mechanical hurdles in 1941 with the Z3, an operational digital computer capable of universal computation.

    In fact, the Z3 was the world's first working machine physically capable of universal computation. The first real computer.

    Zuse was also one of the great philosophers of the 20th century. In a book he published titled "Calculating Space," He was the first to surmise that our universe is computable by a deterministic computer program. Every "simulation hypothesis" and "mathematical universe" theory is downstream of Zuse. (One could argue that the Pythagoreans and neo-Pythagoreans, who held that the world was at root mathematical, were truly first, but Zuse made important and original contributions nevertheless.) It's important to note that, to this day, there are no physical observations which contradict Zuse's notion, as he wrote it, of a computable universe.

    I would think that the German state or EU should provide funding for his museum. If that's not the case, it's a shame.

    • kens 15 minutes ago
      The argument that the Z3 is universal "was an impressive party trick, but diverged entirely from the way the machine was designed, how it was actually used, or indeed from anything that would have made sense in the 1940s."

      Source: ENIAC in Action p255.

    • tchalla 6 minutes ago
      I think Zuse is underrated because he worked pretty much alone. The other names and particularly Von Nuemann were prolific collaborators apart from being very good at what they do. There’s probably a takeaway from how this turned out.
    • gnramires 59 minutes ago
      > to surmise that our universe is computable by a deterministic computer program

      Please an expert chime in to complement, but I believe simulation in quantum mechanics is a quite interesting and not so simple topic.

      I believe the more correct thing to say is that quantum mechanics is approximable than simply computable. Don't forget, QM and current physical theories use real numbers, which are not digitally representable; although it seems also the case that information is locally bounded. The finite distribution of states and probabilistic dynamics is I believe is fundamentally what makes information bounded, (which forbids for example naive hypercomputation and I think several paradoxes that might arise from unbounded local information) but don't forget in general the dynamics is still based on continuous quantities as far as we know, not discrete quantities like in a computer. QM is about discrete states within a continuum set interacting with continuum dynamics, I think is accurate to say. Quantum field theory probably complicates things more but similar conclusions might be valid. This continuum dynamics can't be computed exactly, at most you could achieve a pretty good approximation; you'd also need to provision probabilities, either from pseudorandomness (which technically would invalidate the probabilistic model, although in practice this invalidation is not feasibly distinguishable by an observer of current human-scale computing power) or gathering environmental noise.

      It's really interesting to me how nature is kind of surprising and defiant of simple hypothesis we come up with. But I think each of those characteristics plays a role, is an important part of existence somehow, and we should keep trying to understand why each aspect of nature is the particular way it is for their numerous insights into our condition and existence.

    • tgv 11 minutes ago
      > there are no physical observations which contradict Zuse's notion, as he wrote it, of a computable universe.

      There is no model capable of simulating the universe either.

      I also wonder what such an observation would have to look like. Observations per se are unique and recorded and therefore can be reconstructed via trivial computation. Which brings us to the laws of physics. You may believe that they are utterly wrong and the universe is deterministic after all, but then the burden of proof is upon you.

    • Teever 23 minutes ago
      Konrad Zuse also seems to have been a pioneer in the concept of self-replication and self assembly.

      Check out this cool crank-powered self-assembling tower thing that he made: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=odwgpKRnWM8&t=1s

      And his work on self replication: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pxv4vDMOFCo

      I know very little about Zuse or his work and I lament that this museum is closing down as I am moving to Europe next year and had intended to use the opportunity to research his work.

      Neil Gershenfeld has a quip that "computer science is the worst thing to happen to both computers and science because it prematurely froze the model of computation around 1950s designs' and I think there's some truth to this. The resource limitations that Zuse experienced in Germany during the war that forced him down a design path of mechanical design over electromechanical and exposed him to the more fundamental idea that computation is ultimately a physical process -- 'there's no such thing as software just different states of hardware'. I have a feeling that the next big technological revolution will be based around self-replicating machines that more fully unify computation with matter.

    • fooker 39 minutes ago
      You missed some important points that explain why he's not celebrated.

      His efforts received enormous amounts of funding from the Nazis.

      Much of his specialized 'computers' were explicitly for the war effort, including planes.

      He was a big fan of utilizing computing for racial and genealogy research. The Nazis had plans drawn out to murder orders of magnitude more people based on this sort of research had they won (Generalplan Ost).

      It was not like he was forced at gunpoint to participate, he was all in for the funding. Much like Von Braun, but did not have the luck to be paperclipped.

      • ds_opseeker 29 minutes ago
        Initially received funding, later in the war they turned it off as "not war worthy"

        You might be surprised how many UK and US scientists of that time supported eugenics, see for example https://nautil.us/how-eugenics-shaped-statistics-238014

        and as for computers and atrocities, see IBM's history from the time or perhaps some more recent tech companies.

        Few of us are saints.

        • throw234259 16 minutes ago
          Eugenic is still widely supported even today, it is in university textbooks and on t-shirts! Simone de Beauvoir and her "future is female" plan to reduce male population by 90%. World Economic Forum plans to reduce world population to 350 millions...

          Konrad Zuse worked for nazis to develop weapons. I would leave it there.

        • fooker 26 minutes ago
          You'll find that the computing pioneers we celebrate by name are largely detached from the examples you mentioned.
      • orbifold 36 minutes ago
        Same can also be said of IBMs computers at the time and the US efforts to build computers.
        • fooker 33 minutes ago
          Sure, winners writing the history is a tale as old as time.
    • chuckadams 1 hour ago
      There are also no physical observations that contradict the notion of God. The problem is that no such observations are even possible, or at least no test they could be put to that could disprove the theory.
      • eis 1 hour ago
        The notion of god leads immediately to paradoxes and logical contradictions when thinking it through a little bit. It's fine if people have certain believes but let's not put religion on the same level as physics. No such paradoxes exist with the notion of a deterministic computable universe.

        I concur with the OP when they said Zuse is being waaay underappreciated. He is one of the fathers of the modern computational age.

        • mejutoco 26 minutes ago
          > to this day, there are no physical observations which contradict Zuse's notion, as he wrote it, of a computable universe.

          This was the claim, and OP has a point, which you are misinterpreting as religion vs physics.

  • loph 0 minutes ago
    That's a real shame.

    I first heard of Zuse when I spent a week in class in the Zuse conference room at DEC Spit Brook Road, Nashua aka ZKO1. (there were many rooms in that facility named after computing pioneers...)

    There were pictures of Zuse and the Z3 in that room, but also an original Konrad Zuse oil painting. I wonder what happened to that painting...

  • wvbdmp 6 minutes ago
    Sad, but the reality is, Hoyerswerda is a small town in east east Germany and computer museums are already super niche in general. How many tourists could they possibly get? Maybe the Nixdorf museum in Paderborn can snatch it up. Paderborn is no metropolis either, but at least it’s relatively central and the museum gets 13 times as many yearly visitors.
  • jacquesm 43 minutes ago
    For every bit of history there 'the danger period', when it is still recent enough that most people don't consider it special but old enough that special effort needs to be made to preserve it. Random chance as much as anything else determines what eventually makes it to the status of 'precious antique'. I hope they find a way to mothball it until society is more appreciative, I think it is a unique collection and worth preserving.
  • trentor 1 hour ago
    Location, location, location. It's just in the middle of absolutely nothing. The surrounding has a bit of nature as appeal but it's depression county in regards of everything else.
  • pmkary 36 minutes ago
    It’s sad to see how the American propaganda destroyed the true genius of computation, to a point that there is not even a museum for his work. Imagine doing the work of many, and many years before them, and then getting here.
  • bhouston 1 hour ago
    Hopefully can be consolidated into an existing museum. Very specific museums are just hard to run in general worldwide unless they are uber famous and often that fades in a generation or two.
  • matherial 1 hour ago
    Although Zuse definitely received too little credit in the West (for somewhat understandable political reasons), there's another Zuse museum in Hünfeld, along with exhibitions at the Deutsches Technikmuseum in Berlin. So this is not as profound as it might seem. I suspect the main problem with this museum was just that it's off the beaten path.
    • NelsonMinar 1 minute ago
      Yes the Berlin exhibit is really well done with some beautiful artifacts well displayed and explained. The Z1 replica is a marvel: Zuse himself built in 1989.

      IIRC they also have sensible documentatioin about his Nazi connections that puts this work into appropriate context.

    • justforthis77 1 hour ago
      That's exactly what I was going to say. I saw that pretty nice exhibit on Zuse in the Deutsches Technikmuseum. Perhaps it could be merged in? (Although I doubt it's that simple)
  • exceptione 14 minutes ago
    Maybe we could replace the link with the mdr.de? Heise.de violates GDPR law by using a "pay for play" model.

    I am sorry for the meta comment but websites like these should be on the black list imho (and it escapes me why the german watch dog is sleeping at the wheel so often).

  • scotty79 56 minutes ago
    I've seen some of his machines in Technology Museum in Berlin. The first iteration was mechanical done with cleverly cut out metal plates.
  • inglor_cz 16 minutes ago
    The problem was probably in the location. Hoyerswerda is a place which does not attract visitors, even the locals left in droves (isn't it the German record holder when it comes to cities losing population?)

    In Dresden, Leipzig or Berlin, 30.000 visitors a year could have been reached.

  • unj 1 hour ago
    That is a tragic news… I wish I’ve heard of it in advance…