11 comments

  • EMIRELADERO 7 minutes ago
    > "These changes resolve Apple’s disagreements with the Commission over business terms and alternative distribution."

    [...]

    > "The Core Technology Fee, a per-install fee for developers that achieve extraordinary scale, will be replaced by the Core Technology Commission, a simple 5 percent commission on digital transactions in apps distributed outside the App Store. The new terms also eliminate the initial acquisition fee and store services fee."

    [...]

    > "In order to keep EU users as safe as possible, Apple will continue to require every alternatively distributed app to go through Notarization — a baseline review focused on basic functionality and protection from serious threats."

    This is bonkers, I can't believe the EU Commission agreed to it. The main issue that the DMA was about still remains: Apple retains ultimate control over app developers' dealings with users.

    The status quo that the EU should have pushed for, and which Article 6(7) of the DMA requires, is one where a developer can distribute iOS apps to users without ever entering into any contractual relationship with Apple. The OS APIs that most apps use are already paid-for by the user when they buy the device. Apple wants to double-dip and charge developers for the value that the users already have by virtue of owning their iDevices with all the necessary iOS paraphernalia in them.

    Of course, Xcode and the SDK overall aren't paid for by users, so Apple can charge devs for it, but so far there's no way to signal to Apple that you have opted out of using their SDK and have the fee waived. Not that it would be enough anyway, since even having to interact with Apple in any capacity to be an iOS dev is the main problem.

    • dannyw 0 minutes ago
      The EU likes the power to delist apps by compelling two companies (Apple and Google) to do so.

      Android is moving to the same, KYC (credit or debit card; no prepaid cards) with play store required for APK distribution

    • tiahura 2 minutes ago
      Maybe one of the commissioners tried Android?
      • EMIRELADERO 0 minutes ago
        The feeling of security and tightness on iOS does not come from its monopolistic restrictions on 3rd-party devs.
  • mjorgers 2 minutes ago
    > The Core Technology Fee, a per-install fee for developers that achieve extraordinary scale, will be replaced by the Core Technology Commission, a simple 5 percent commission on digital transactions in apps distributed outside the App Store. The new terms also eliminate the initial acquisition fee and store services fee.

    [...]

    > In order to keep EU users as safe as possible, Apple will continue to require every alternatively distributed app to go through Notarization — a baseline review focused on basic functionality and protection from serious threats.

    All in all, still extremely anti-consumer. If I can download and run arbitrary code on my Mac--even if I have to jump through scary warnings--why should I not be able to do so on my phone? Why would one computing platform be different from the other?

    • cube00 0 minutes ago
      > why should I not be able to do so on my phone? Why would one computing platform be different from the other?

      If Microsoft had its act together PCs would have been just as locked down as phones are today and we wouldn't be questioning a difference.

  • arpinum 13 minutes ago
    > Web distribution, which is available only in the EU ... require every alternatively distributed app to go through Notarization — a baseline review focused on basic functionality and protection from serious threats.

    This is quite a big change for EU users. What I don't understand is how Apple will track the new 5% commission for web distributed apps. You do need to register for the programme, so maybe that is one way they track businesses and get a right to audit their books.

    • lapcat 0 minutes ago
      > What I don't understand is how Apple will track the new 5% commission for web distributed apps.

      My understanding is that it's based entirely on self-reporting by developers.

  • Spacemolte 4 minutes ago
    So how are they trying to circumvent the EU regulations this time?
    • input_sh 0 minutes ago
      Have you tried reading the submitted URL?
  • tefkah 5 minutes ago
    > Apple today announced changes to its business terms for apps in the European Union, following close collaboration with the European Commission. These changes resolve Apple’s disagreements with the Commission over business terms and alternative distribution.

    this seems to imply the Commission signed off on this. I really can't imagine that this changes anything meaningfully wrt to the DMA?

  • zoobab 15 minutes ago
    European Commission caved in, developers lost.
    • lsxr 11 minutes ago
      I’m not sure that’s how I’d characterise it. I think this is a positive step for consumers in the EU.

      I’d argue that it is Apple who have backed down here.

      • realusername 9 minutes ago
        Apps still need to go through Apple bureaucracy and they still take their cut. They are still free to ban any of those apps without any specific reason
      • mytailorisrich 7 minutes ago
        Consumers never had an issue with Apple's app store. They don't care, frankly. In fact it makes it simpler for them.
  • nickslaughter02 13 minutes ago
    > Apple will continue to require every alternatively distributed app to go through Notarization — a baseline review focused on basic functionality and protection from serious threats.

    Apple and EU keep the power to ban your app if it goes against "European" values.

    • lsxr 10 minutes ago
      What are these “European” value requirements? Apps sold in the EU must comply with local laws.
      • nickslaughter02 4 minutes ago
        Anything EPP and their Ursula von der Leyen think they are. Mandatory surveillance of your communication for example, something they have been trying and slowly succeeding in for the past 5 years.

        > Chat Control 1.0 passed the European Parliament — through the back door

        https://www.euronews.com/next/2026/07/10/chat-control-10-pas...

      • flyingjoe 7 minutes ago
        don't feed the trolls - most of his comments are focussed on how bad Europe or the EU is. Weird.
  • isoprophlex 8 minutes ago
    > For App Store apps that link out of the app to complete purchases, the commission will be 15 percent. Developers in the programs mentioned above will pay a reduced rate of 10 percent.

    What the fuck. Does this also include apps that keep purchase management entirely out of the app? And if so, is that even legal?

    Hope I'm misreading this...

    Edit: to give some context to my "what the fuck is that even legal", consider this. my phone provider has an app that lets me modify my cell contract, and buy additional services (fast 5g, extra sims, whatever). Utility providers, grocery delivery platforms, many such cases. what's next for apple, will they come for their pound of flesh there, too?

  • theodric 2 minutes ago
    As I understand it:

    > A person buys a handheld computer

    > I make a program for the computer

    > A person downloads the program directly onto their computer

    > A person makes a purchase for services within my app on their computer

    > Somehow Apple gets 5% of the proceeds, despite being entirely uninvolved except for the initial sale of goods

    An analogous situation would be Mercedes-Benz demanding 5% of every ride booked in a taxi they manufactured, for the reason that they have to continue to make and sell parts for the vehicle, and everyone (including the EU) somehow being A-OK with it.

  • kotaKat 7 minutes ago
    > For users under 13 years old, apps from the App Store cannot link out to websites for transactions to protect against the risk of scams that target younger kids.

    So that means Fortnite can't link out, right? Or does this mean because it's being delivered by the Epic Games Store, they can bypass that rule?

  • MBCook 17 minutes ago
    They’re starting to cave.

    Turnis taking the reins perhaps?

    This has clearly been tilting at windmills this entire time. They were never going to win. How much time and money could they have saved by giving a reasonable amount instead of sticking their fingers in their ears and yelling “la la la I can’t hear you why do you love criminals”?

    • brcmthrowaway 10 minutes ago
      Exited my Apple position.

      Ternus is going to be the last CEO. They're going to be next Nokia, lack of AI native is going to bite them hard.

      • OneDeuxTriSeiGo 5 minutes ago
        Is this a bot comment or something? What does AI have to do with any of this? And regardless Apple is in many ways best in class for local AI support.
      • slater 8 minutes ago
        Luckily, none of that is even remotely close to happening.