Better and Cheaper Than IPTV

(github.com)

279 points | by xonery 16 hours ago

15 comments

  • dtagames 13 hours ago
    For a no hacks alternative, I built TV Explorer. It puts the channel's published HLS stream into your browser with no interim steps. Uses the public GitHub list of more than 10,000 free channels.

    https://tvexplorer.live

    • ssl-3 13 hours ago
      That is an unbelievably slick thing that you've got there.

      It feels very light-weight, it's approximately instantly-responsive. Back button works. I don't understand the stats (or my contribution to them), but whatever.

      (the closed-captioning pop-up causes some overlay issues for me, though)

      moar edit: Upon further review with my very not-special desktop box, I'm reasonably confident that this is the quickest, most-responsive "TV-watching" experience I've had since analog NTSC left the scene ~eons ago. It's fast like switching from channel 11 to channel 13 used to be with the very quickest and most well-behaved of tuners.

      What aren't you doing that everyone else is doing?

      • dtagames 1 hour ago
        Thank you so much! What a nice thing to hear.

        The short version is that it uses my own engine, called Watson. I used to work for a small game studio inside a big company and my specialty was tooling. I had built my own before I started there and when they shutdown, it evolved into Watson[0].

        It's lightweight because it's a static site with no server, it has no spying code or SDKs, and it puts the broadcasters HLS stream URL directly into a <video> element in your browser with minimal intervention.

        [0] https://watsonengine.io

      • SoftTalker 1 hour ago
        Looks potentially very nice but the majority of the channels I tried were "blocked in my area or not broadcasting"
        • dtagames 1 hour ago
          Thanks for the feedback and I'm sorry that happened. Because the data comes from a public GitHub list of channels, the app has no way to know what will be geoblocked for you (or not) or actually online at the moment (or not) until you try to tune it -- very much like an old analog TV.

          But... TV Explorer does keep track of what's tunable (with status lights down the left column) and also lets you scan in the background to find the ones that are live for you right now.

          https://tvexplorer.live/help/25-things-18

      • ninkendo 3 hours ago
        > Back button works

        Maybe a little too well... I tried a whole bunch of channels to get an idea of which ones work, and my history was too full to get out of the site. Maybe every channel change doesn't need to push to your history list.

        • dtagames 1 hour ago
          Very good point. Thank you, and I'll put a limit on it. 10?
        • michaelmrose 2 hours ago
          Generally filling up the buffer is fine. It's perfectly normal that after viewing a certain number of documents one has to manually decide where to go.

          You know what you need. A button that goes back but instead of going to the prior document goes to the first document with a different domain than the current one.

          • ninkendo 1 hour ago
            Yeah, I'm not convinced it's really the site's fault... I can understand the logic of wanting the back button to go back a channel, but also I generally want to go "out" of a page when I hit the back button, so there's no real one-size-fits-all answer.

            But speaking only for myself, if history.pushState was removed from my browser I would probably be happier in the end. JavaScript SPA's abuse it 10x more often than they use it appropriately, I'd rather that if you're an SPA anyway, you implement your own in-app navigation and let my browser's mean "get me out of this app". Lord knows SPA's already reinvent every other web standard, why not one more...

      • mschuster91 9 hours ago
        > What aren't you doing that everyone else is doing?

        Seems to be the fact that there's no advertising, tracking or other SDKs and the entire JS is contained in two files.

        • dtagames 1 hour ago
          Thank you for noticing!
    • liquidnitrogen1 11 hours ago
      I think https://tv.garden/ has more channels than your especially if i look at Japan
      • maxweylandt 9 hours ago
        Seems to depend on the country, tv.garden has nothing in Namibia, for example
      • asimpletune 10 hours ago
        Both of these are amazing
    • nickzelei 1 hour ago
      This is probably the nicest IPTV site I’ve ever seen, nice work!!
      • dtagames 1 hour ago
        I'm so honored that you feel that way, and thank you for saying so!
    • jusonchan81 12 hours ago
      This is incredible! It loaded so fast on my mobile and I’m able to watch channels from all over. Amazing stuff man. It requires a thread of its own
    • drewrbaker 10 hours ago
      This as a Jellyfin plugin would be awesome!
    • supersparrow 2 hours ago
      This is amazing! Can this be self hosted?
      • dtagames 1 hour ago
        It is a static site that doesn't require a server and can be hosted anywhere.
    • boromi 12 hours ago
      very cool. How would have this on actual TV? Load it in the built in browser?
    • liamwire 12 hours ago
      This is fantastic, as others have said. Could you talk a bit about how it's so wonderfully fast?
    • nchagnet 12 hours ago
      This is such a high quality TV viewing experience, I really love it! Amazing work!
      • dtagames 1 hour ago
        Thank you very much. I'm delighted that you like it!
    • normie3000 10 hours ago
      Just stays on the loading screen for me (Safari, iOS 26).
      • b112 8 hours ago
        Same here. I wonder if it's hugged to death?
    • jarym 9 hours ago
      Love it
  • inigyou 6 hours ago
    This situation where bots have to run a headless browser in a new profile is just stupid. Can we have the old internet back? Please? Cloudflare you're not stopping bots, you're just wasting effort on both sides while siphoning access logs and passwords to the NSA.
  • slg 15 hours ago
    Usually piracy software tries to maintain a little plausible deniability, but here this is suggesting it will help you stream this weekend's newly released $250m blockbuster.
    • inigyou 6 hours ago
      I suppose it searches your configured sources for that movie and comes back "not found"

      Stremio does this. Stremio is a legal application that finds media from any configured plugin. You're supposed to add the illegal Torrentio plugin to automatically pirate media. By doing it this way, most development can take place in public.

      A similar situation exists with the emulator Azahar and the illegal fork Azahar Plus which can automatically decrypt games.

      Edit: lolno this project just has pirate sites built into it

    • devindotcom 15 hours ago
      the interface shows the top movies right now on https://www.themoviedb.org/
    • quantummagic 14 hours ago
      It could just be streaming the trailer.
    • some-guy 15 hours ago
      I’m not against piracy but the initial pitch made it seem like it’s more purely for trying to cast streams embedded in websites that you already are visiting and/or have access to, of which do not “allow” you to cast, or for whatever reason only work on a laptop and not on something like AirPlay. But the LLM-slop description of “random websites” in addition to the option for a TVDB API key confuse me as to what the actual focus is here.
  • krackers 16 hours ago
    I thought the whole point of turnstile was that it detects headless browsers and it's supposed to be "difficult" to bypass. Apparently this just simulates clicking on the checkmark. Is it really that easy?
    • inigyou 6 hours ago
      The point of Turnstile is to sell a warm fuzzy feeling of security to website owners, block Tor users who don't enable JavaScript, and convince website owners to give a copy of all their traffic to the NSA for free.

      Actual security is barely relevant except to the extent that if it doesn't add any security, the NSA might get worried that people will stop using Cloudflare.

      Fake security - number of blocked users, which Cloudflare calls "bots" regardless of whether they're people or bots - is used in Cloudflare marketing.

    • jeroenhd 8 hours ago
      With the right simulated events, a headless browser becomes indistinguishable from a real browser without platform detection. It's not hard to figure out that these headless browsers are running a software renderer on Linux. In time, they're just going to have to detect Linux users and force them to fill out one or multiple challenges if workarounds like these keep getting used.

      The checkbox is just a small part of what the checks are doing. It's monitoring everything the browser is doing and how the browser is responding to certain events up until you tick the checkbox, at which point it determines if you need one of those "are you human" challenges or if you can pass without interruption, based on how bot-like you are.

    • KomoD 15 hours ago
      > was that it detects headless browsers

      > Apparently this just simulates clicking on the checkmark

      Not just that. It also spoofs a bunch of browser stuff.

      A standard headless browser will probably get flagged.

    • bob1029 9 hours ago
      People have been automating WoW for a generation using things like peripherals duct taped to oscillating fans despite multi-million dollar budgets designed to defeat things far more sophisticated than this.

      I would think of headless browser automation in exactly the same way you would about cheating in FPS video games. The red team always has the initiative and can win if they want to spend enough time and money.

    • Saris 15 hours ago
      If you can make the browser pass all the other checks going on in the background, clicking the checkmark is all that's left.
    • xonery 15 hours ago
      Yes, kindof…
  • hperrin 13 hours ago
    > I built it because I couldn't cast web video from my laptop to my TV: no Chromecast, no AirPlay.

    Looks like Claude built it.

    • xonery 5 hours ago
      Claude helped me out for sure, i'm not a DLNA or FFMPEG beast, but i solved a problem I had and that's what matters. If it solved a problem you have, even better.
      • haaz 5 hours ago
        Yeah don't listen to HN dorks. Unless youve handwritten the code using Mayan virgin blood on papyrus scrolls they will complain.
      • sgt 4 hours ago
        "Helped me build" usually means it was vibe coded AI slop.
        • fortyseven 3 hours ago
          Did the app work?
          • goda90 3 hours ago
            While I think responsible use of AI coding tools is possible, "working" is a low bar for software. Does it accomplish the intended function securely, performantly, with reasonable error handling?
    • yard2010 11 hours ago
      You're absolutely right and let me be honest about the honest load-bearing smoking-gun you point at.
      • dimator 11 hours ago
        That's the core tension — and you're right to call it out! Let me walk back my claims.
    • simondotau 8 hours ago
      I'm pretty sure it was built by a compiler, using libraries provided by Google and others. Until Claude can directly output machine code packaged for distribution, it's just another middleman between the source of intent (the human) and the final deliverable.

      </sarcasm, mostly>

  • stef25 8 hours ago
    Immediately worked for me on a simple Samsung bought 15+ years ago.

    What's the best way to use it, write your own search to parse all the json pages https://vsembed.ru/movies/latest/page-1.json ?

  • paxys 1 hour ago
    It's about as much effort as a torrent, so I don't see the point.
  • rideontime 16 hours ago
    Seems to be missing some context. What is this used for? Piracy?
    • xonery 16 hours ago
      It's a CLI that lets you select a movie, finds a matching stream from streaming websites, transcodes it, burns in subtitles in real time, and tells your TV to play it.
      • 2gremlin181 15 hours ago
        Do I need to bring my own sources or is there a maintained list?
        • xonery 15 hours ago
          You mean the streaming website source ? You can use the one present in the config.yaml of the project, it works fine.
        • inigyou 6 hours ago
          it comes preconfigured with three different illegal pirate sites.
      • keepupnow 15 hours ago
        [flagged]
    • cortesoft 13 hours ago
      I am not sure how this would help with piracy? It can only play a stream you already have access to, it doesn’t break encryption or anything.
      • PieUser 11 hours ago
        The default config has a bunch of such sources: https://github.com/stupside/castor/blob/main/config.yaml

        sources: - proxies: - "https://vidsrc-embed.ru" templates: movie: "/embed/movie/{itemID}" episode: "/embed/tv/{itemID}/{season}-{episode}"

          - proxies:
              - "https://1embed.cc"
              - "https://www.vidking.net"
            templates:
              movie: "/embed/movie/{itemID}"
              episode: "/embed/tv/{itemID}/{season}/{episode}"
        
          - proxies:
              - "https://www.rivestream.app"
            templates:
              movie: "/embed/torrent?type=movie&id={itemID}"
              episode: "/embed/torrent?type=tv&id={itemID}&season={season}&episode={episode}"
        
          - proxies:
              - "https://www.rivestream.app"
            templates:
              movie: "/embed?type=movie&id={itemID}"
              episode: "/embed?type=tv&id={itemID}&season={season}&episode={episode}"
      • inigyou 6 hours ago
        You already have access to pirated streams. This app plays them for you. Check the source addresses in config.yaml.
    • pogue 16 hours ago
      It's an alternative way to cast media to your TV by way of somehow ripping the streaming video off said website or service.
    • mikeweiss 15 hours ago
      I agree, is the use case any video stream other than big established ( which already support casting)... So... bootleg sports streams?
      • xonery 14 hours ago
        It casts whatever stream's on the page, same as VLC plays whatever file you open.
    • selectively 16 hours ago
      [dead]
  • xonery 15 hours ago
    Docker version on MacOS might not find your TV.
    • monksy 12 hours ago
      You probably have to expose it to do Upnp through the VM that is needed for docker on Macos.
  • m00dy 8 hours ago
    >Castor launches headless Chrome with a randomized fingerprint and stealth scripts to hide automation.

    you lost me in there.

    • m00dy 7 hours ago
      I work with browser fingerprinting, so I took a look at the repo to see what it actually does. From what I can tell, it only patches navigator, the Audio API, and the Canvas API. That is pretty basic, so it will likely get flagged easily.
      • inigyou 6 hours ago
        Depends what you're trying to bypass. Cloudflare isn't as strict as Google.
        • m00dy 4 hours ago
          depends on what you're trying to bypass in Cloudflare, turnstile or interstitial ?
  • aussieguy1234 9 hours ago
    Can this be used without a TV, lets say if I just want to play the streams with VLC?
    • dizhn 7 hours ago
      I would hope it would do the "find and extract stream source" on the web page bit well. (This is quite hard on some sites). From there VLC can handle it.

      I use "Web Video Caster" on Android to stream videos from websites to my TV. Free version is fine.

  • ranger_danger 14 hours ago
    Can you cast to a Roku device with this?
    • kls0e 12 hours ago
      I tried with v1.4.1, TVs running Roku TV do not seem to be supported at this point of time, at least "castor scan" does not yield any results. Roku TV does support Apple AirPlay as an add-on as you probably know.
  • j45 15 hours ago
    This is interesting, instead of a command line interface it made me wonder what an interface right on the tv could look like.

    Comparisons to watching tv, are usually a TV interface, with a TV device/app, be it an Android TV/Apple TV, etc.

    Maybe I'm missing it, I couldn't see a tv interface.

    The part where it can send video to any kind of tv is a pretty remarkable piece.

    • defrost 15 hours ago
      It's also remarkably "old" in a digital sense:

        Digital Living Network Alliance (DLNA) is a set of interoperability standards for sharing home digital media among multimedia devices. Introduced 2004; 22 years ago.
      
      * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DLNA

        Google Cast is a proprietary protocol developed by Google for playing locally stored or Internet-streamed audiovisual content on a compatible consumer device. The protocol is used to initiate and control playback of content on digital media players, high-definition televisions, and home audio systems using a mobile device, personal computer, or smart speaker. The protocol was first launched on July 24, 2013; 12 years ago.
      
      * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Cast
      • j45 13 hours ago
        Old also in this case keeps TVs useful longer
  • vivzkestrel 12 hours ago
    - very stupid comment: i still have no idea what this project does even after reading the README

    - can someone kindly explain what is the actual problem statement and what the author is trying to solve here?

    • inigyou 6 hours ago
      You type in the ID of a movie and it pirates it for you
  • selectively 16 hours ago
    We're just throwing straight up piracy on HN now? We're vibing piracy now? Felonies via API?
    • inigyou 6 hours ago
      Yes. Unironically yes. Except that it's a misdemeanor. It's a felony for the author of this code and for dang if he doesn't remove this post (distributing piracy tools), but it's a misdemeanor for the ones watching the streams.