12 comments

  • thecompilr 3 minutes ago
    I know many cruise missiles use star navigation, I wonder if satellites have any effect on that, and if they do that might be the catalyst to reduce that pollution.
  • mikeodds 45 minutes ago
    There’s a funny amount of beef around using it in art, you have Anish Kapoor who bought exclusive rights to use Vantablack artistically and man of the people Stuart Semple offering his versions Black 1.0, 2.0, 3.0, 4.0 getting ever blacker.
    • iamacyborg 13 minutes ago
      Which is all a dumb marketing stunt because it was never a pigment artists could paint with anyway.
    • Gravityloss 32 minutes ago
      I saw a few of these black Anish Kapoor sculptures. The experience was worth the cost. The brain has a hard time processing it.
    • beardyw 34 minutes ago
      "The paint is sold through Semple’s brand, Culture Hustle, and remains explicitly unavailable to Anish Kapoor or his affiliates"
  • infogulch 15 minutes ago
    The entire underside of these satellites is a big phased array antenna. Maybe you can paint it so it absorbs all the other wavelengths, but it would be counterproductive to absorb the radio wavelengths used by the antenna itself since ground emitters would have to increase the gain to get through it.
  • mhb 6 minutes ago
    The Darkest Clothing in the World:

    https://youtu.be/N9VaJKIO1JA?si=UI36apNYUe5mlxWd

  • goda90 56 minutes ago
    Tangential, but everyone can take part in reducing light pollution because it's well suited to local political action: https://darksky.org/what-we-do/advancing-responsible-outdoor...
    • _joel 51 minutes ago
      Needs signup to download a form? :/
  • khalic 39 minutes ago
    That’s just Vanta advertisement
  • lightedman 40 minutes ago
    As someone in this field, I don't really think this is a good idea. We already have issues maintaining proper thermals without turning the satellite into a giant light-absorbing thermal mass. Painting it black is just asking for additional thermal management budget and mass additions.
    • mapt 24 minutes ago
      The blackbody equilibrium temperature at 1AU from the sun is about 278K. All satellite materials are fine at 278K because that's within the expected range of storage and atmospheric launch temperatures.

      The equilibrium temperature of a polished aluminum surface at 1AU from the sun is 416K, hot enough to melt polyethylene and at least weaken many of the relevant aerospace plastics like the PET in mylar film.

      Painting polished aluminum black drastically raises emissivity along with the lowered reflectivity, and brings its behavior closer to a blackbody.

      So does allowing aluminum to oxidize, which it does almost instantaneously in atmosphere. So it's not like it's going to change anything drastically.

      The reason this seems like it should change things a lot is that you're used to convectively cooled matte surfaces on Earth, where emissivity and radiative cooling is a less relevant factor and the only significant effect of painting something black is primarily that it absorbs more energy.

      • moi2388 15 minutes ago
        How does this happen? Why would something which reflects light on the outside get hotter than one which absorbs light? This makes no intuitive sense to me.
        • mapt 9 minutes ago
          The radiative equilibrium temperature is a function of (watts in - watts out), with a fourth power law shoved in there somewhere. A blackbody at radiative equilibrium absorbs whatever visible light you throw at it, and then spits it back out according to a distribution law that mostly places it in the thermal infrared bands (at temperatures we've familiar with, anyway).

          Remove convection/conduction as heat transfer methods, and you end up with two numbers dictating radiative balance:

          Percent reflectivity in the bands it's exposed to

          Percent emissivity in the bands it's emitting

          The balance between these dictates temperature, and they're generally inversely correlated. Mirrors are good reflectors, but very poor emitters.

      • lightedman 10 minutes ago
        "The blackbody equilibrium temperature at 1AU from the sun is about 278K. All satellite materials are fine at 278K because that's within the expected range of storage and atmospheric launch temperatures."

        But that is NOT the temperature of something in LEO. You're ignoring everything else that adds energy to the system. Friction from collisions with atomic oxygen, down to heating up to temperatures as hot as 530 Kelvin just entirely dependent upon orientation to the sun.

        • mapt 3 minutes ago
          My impression is that friction is negligible once firmly in LEO. Orientation of a sub-component surface definitely matters, as does Earth's presence in half of the viewshed. But my point is that surface finish also makes a big deal, and paint is not necessarily a bad thing, because of the emissivity increases.

          (Though I'd rather anodize the thing black imperfectly if it helps avoid paint flecks becoming orbital debris)

    • noosphr 29 minutes ago
      That's the cost of pollution.
      • IAmBroom 24 minutes ago
        Yes, it's a trade-off between engineering/maintenance costs and public good. As always.

        I'm not sure making space debris invisible to visible light is a good thing, either.

  • jacknews 22 minutes ago
    Also erase stars.
  • stavros 49 minutes ago
    Why is the wording always so hedged? Anything "could reduce" anything, this equivocates so much that it's useless for understanding anything.
  • jmclnx 44 minutes ago
    True, but I think that could cause issues for astronomers. Instead if seeing small points of light they could see fast moving black spots obscuring stellar objects. In a way looking like eclipses.
    • mirekrusin 40 minutes ago
      Give it few years and they'll get LED colors and we'll see them in "I'm lovin it" formation.
    • _joel 12 minutes ago
      I'm sure they use image stacking to mitigate these issues.
    • IAmBroom 26 minutes ago
      So? Intermittent, short-termed blockages happen (jets and satellites already do this, they just aren't black).

      Astronomers don't look first and then aim their cameras, and most interesting features (essentially all of them) require long exposures, which would make this problem a slight, one-time variance in brightness.

  • ta8903 11 minutes ago
    >Astha Astha, Postgraduate Research Student

    >Dr Noelia Noel, Senior Lecturer, PhD in Astrophysics

    Is this a joke article?

  • celpgoescheeew 17 minutes ago
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