10 comments

  • great_wubwub 2 minutes ago
    Makes me a little nervous that a web page about resilience is failing to connect.
  • physix 48 minutes ago
    Nobody uses Amex for payments, so the system isn't ever under high load.

    Just kidding!

    I find the idea quite good, and have to assume that the amount of payment fails they experience due to partitions/outages isn't very high and that the post-payment reconciliation and reclamation process gives them the liberty to rank availability a bit higher than correctness.

    One thing that looked a bit shaky was the interplay between the global transaction router's state of knowing which cells can handle a particular payment and the asynchronous distribution of the "failover data", which I presume it needs to know to route correctly. To me that seems to create a window where it might route to the wrong cell due to an outdated routing state.

    It also doesn't go into the HA setup of the global transaction router itself.

    But still, I kind of like the design.

    • mixdup 27 minutes ago
      >To me that seems to create a window where it might route to the wrong cell due to an outdated routing state.

      But if the router sends to the wrong cell the cell will either send it back to be rerouted or it will fail and the router will try again (or report back the failure so upstream can try again I assume)

  • stevefan1999 12 minutes ago
    Backing up would be hell
  • badlibrarian 41 minutes ago
    Ah yes, the financial services company that runs a travel agency, allows me to book my hotel and rental car weeks in advance, registers a hold for incidentals for both the hotel and car when I check in, then blocks the card when I try to buy dinner that night in that same hotel due to fraud detection.

    Last week it required me to take pictures of my face from multiple angles to regain membership privileges. I suspect this may be part Palantir data collection and part Peter Thiel dating service.

  • neerajsi 1 hour ago
    I wonder how they ensure durability. Is it possible that a cell going down would roll back a payment after it has occurred. Or do they depend on a non cell database?
    • subtlejellyfish 1 hour ago
      I would assume nothing related to a given transaction crosses the cell boundary.

      We use a cellular architecture to help constrain the blast radius of a modular monolith. Each one of our customers lives in exactly 1 cell. Any kind of cross-customer BI/reporting happens through a data warehouse.

  • kev009 1 hour ago
    There things are always a clusterfsck compared to the mainframe deployments.
    • vb-8448 4 minutes ago
      Ahahha so true man!

      Some CICS regions, a DB2 and a couple of VSAMs and that's it.

  • llmslave 56 minutes ago
    American Express tech is some of the worst in the world among big companies. All of the value in the company is just in the branding. They put some work into the mobile app and the website, but other than that, its a facade.
    • mcintyre1994 34 minutes ago
      A few years ago someone kept signing up for loads of bank accounts/credit cards in my name, with my address. I’m not sure what the point of it was. But while everyone else happily sent cards and stacks of welcome paperwork to me, Amex were the only one that contacted me and told me they’d detected something weird in the signup. They gave me some helpful advice to resolve that situation too.
    • jmpman 39 minutes ago
      Having worked at Amex and other huge banks, let me assure you that there's much worse than Amex. Amex's Fraud analytics team was good. Risk was good. Ben's team is good.
  • jeremycarter 1 hour ago
    As Reddit already pointed out, this is nothing novel.
    • christophilus 0 minutes ago
      “They reinvented Erlang OTP.” - Reddit
  • toast0 2 days ago
    They run their payment systems on ps3??? Somebody bought into the marketting a bit much.
  • rekttrader 1 hour ago
    So you’re telling me these cells operate independently like distributed Ethereum nodes and L2s… got it.