Field of clones: How horse replicas came to dominate polo

(knowablemagazine.org)

44 points | by gscott 2 hours ago

7 comments

  • didibus 52 minutes ago
    The thing is, what if there's an even better horse out there? Once you get on the cloning bandwagon, don't you also lock yourself out of looking/evolving an even better horse?
    • ethanj8011 48 minutes ago
      Yes, but developing a better horse has a low likelihood of success and a relatively long time horizon. There are some arms race dynamics here in that as long as no one else is trying to develop a better horse, you probably are better off just not trying to either.
    • defrost 42 minutes ago
      > what if there's an even better horse out there

      Doesn't matter, such things threaten the horse investor lock in economics.

      Many years past, and early bit of software from my student days was a side project making an easy to use database system for a horse stud farm, high status stallions being put to mares with the feed, vet visits, results, etc. all logged.

      Horse racing is pretty much all about pedigree - without the lineage horses are considered valueless by the industry - super fast back country waler crosses might be acceptable for a four mile charge across open ground onto machine gun nests .. but w/out that pedigree <shrug> no Lord or up and coming billionaire is going to syndicate that horse for racing.

      I imagine Polo to be much the same, in the rich set. Probably more open and accepting out on the steppes knocking about the heads of the vanquished.

    • lovich 20 minutes ago
      There’s commodities and then R&D. Ignoring every other moral consideration, this horse cloning has turned a biological asset into a (relative)commodity, and if people were looking for better horses they’d stick to the randomized mutation of regular breeding which has that built in as a feature.

      This isn’t even the only instance of this technique. You can look at the Argentinian president Milei who hired a company to provide him with consistent advisors in the form of cloned dogs he talks with through a mystic[1]

      [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conan_(Javier_Milei%27s_dog)

  • walrus01 1 hour ago
    For a brief moment I thought this would be about something like robotic polo ponies, and considered the idea that four-legged high agility, high endurance robots had advanced significantly without me noticing.
    • fzil 56 minutes ago
      And i thought it was about those polo shirts and replicas of the horse logo on the “fake” t-shirts.
    • beau_g 1 hour ago
      Though we are not yet competitive in the Argentinian Polo clone wars, we are making significant progress - https://www.satyress.com/
      • idle_zealot 10 minutes ago
        A concerning amount of that product page is spent explaining how it has to slow down to pass through doorways, its inability to turn around in hallways, and its weak points you can use to disable one with a knife or gunshot. I feel like I'm reading a tutorial for how to defeat a tricky enemy in a video game.
        • mptest 3 minutes ago
          that's a forward thinking robotics company right there. putting in weakspots for when the centaur robot revolution begins. so we have a chance.
      • walrus01 1 hour ago
        This has to be some kind of kink thing. Not judging, just how it looks from first appearances.
    • valiant-comma 1 hour ago
      Me too, I guess I don’t think of “replica” and “clone” as synonymous in the context of animals.
    • aussieguy1234 1 hour ago
      That'd be alot more ethical than the current horse racing industry if it were the case.

      Humans riding racing robots id watch, but not horse racing.

  • foobar1962 35 minutes ago
    Perhaps Polo will end up like competitive sailing with one-design classes based on the clone of horse. "Measurement" would be a blood test for drugs and dna.
    • acestus5 32 minutes ago
      cloned horses are good at competitive sailing also?!?
  • apt-apt-apt-apt 1 hour ago
    Humans can likely be cloned too.

    Imagine 10,000 Albert Einsteins and John von Neumanns working together with modern AI on medical, scientific, and societal issues.

    Though there could be an Evil Einstein due to upbringing or something.

    • didibus 54 minutes ago
      Don't twin studies mostly show this wouldn't be the case?
    • thefounder 1 hour ago
      I am not sure if the Einsteins you clone would do what you want. Maybe they will want to be influencers on short video platforms.
    • downrightmike 33 minutes ago
      Nope, that's what relativistic slugs are for
    • readthenotes1 21 minutes ago
      You are such an optimist. We are more likely to get clones of athletes, and clones of billionaires for the organ donation options.

      I doubt people like Jonas Salk would accept being cloned if they could help it

    • el_io 54 minutes ago
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  • jofzar 1 hour ago
    Surprised that the legal drama part of this wasn't discussed, it's how I first heard about this

    https://youtu.be/VARJnzhVryc

  • connorboyle 1 hour ago
    Another Argentina/cloning-connected story is that President Javier Milei cloned his dog Conan at least four times: https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-04-26/the-myst...

    The stories make me wonder if Argentina is a cloning hotspot, though I may be reading too much into two stories.

  • aaron695 1 hour ago
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