macOS needs its grid back

(blog.hopefullyuseful.com)

60 points | by ranebo 1 hour ago

12 comments

  • xp84 50 minutes ago
    > If they approve, the settings open, then the user has to find the specific little toggle and enable it. Another security prompt then done. Why isn’t this at most 2 prompts?

    Answer: Because modern-day Apple has subscribed to a particular brand of mitigation for the "noobs will always click 'Allow' especially if you ask them to first" problem. The mitigation is that Apple just dumps you on step 2 of a little 4-5 step mini sysadmin adventure where you prove, every time, that you're sophisticated enough to deserve an exception to the padded-cell walled garden mode they've sealed off 'for your safety.'

    As a complete nerd, you'd think maybe I'd like that I can prove my skills like this, but it comes off as deeply disrespectful to me as the user that I can't disable this.

    What's my solution to prevent grandma or a 10-year-old from clicking "Allow full filesystem access and keylogging" to an executable she downloaded from facebook-security-center-and-password-verification-cgi-bin-ab383 dot xyz? IDK, that's their problem, but they should offer a way for those of us who aren't clueless to turn whatever it is off.

    • joshspankit 0 minutes ago
      For a long time, I’ve believed that the actual solution is to make the system transparent enough that a compromised system is obvious. Imagine playing hide and go seek in the salt flats
    • manwe150 42 minutes ago
      That’s likely not quite the reason. It is to make you have to pause to think if this is the action you want to take.

      On the flip side, many websites ask if I want to allow notifications. I almost never do. I was looking at settings recently and surprised how often I’d clicked yes by accident (maybe about 5% false click rate?)

      • syabro 2 minutes ago
        but the damage of notifications is almost zero compared to keylogger IMHO
    • klodolph 45 minutes ago
      This particular permission is pernicious, ponder for a picosecond the possibilities:

      It’s used for writing keyloggers.

      That’s it. It’s the permission that lets you write a keylogger. It SHOULD NOT be just a click away. It should require some extra song and dance, because this is an especially dangerous permission, and the extra friction is justified.

      • xp84 16 minutes ago
        All the permissions are treated the same way though. Microphone access. Screen sharing access. etc. Yes, all could be used to spy on you in evil ways, but the replacement of a straightforward "Want to grant this app the following permissions?" with these stupid little spelunks through the garbage app that is Settings irritates me every time.

        Apple should throw this whole thing out and replace it with first-launch lists of permissions, with toggles for each. This app 'Zoom' wants "Record the screen, microphone, camera." Then you're done and you don't have to keep searching for it in little lists and relaunching it.

        • klodolph 10 minutes ago
          Honestly, I think the permissions model for desktop and laptop computers is way too permissive to begin with, I think it just kinda sucks and doesn’t do its job. Apple is kind of fixing it but there is a long way to go.

          There have been alarm bells ringing in my head for a long time with all these settings, and the fact that they’re buried in the settings app gives me a lot of peace of mind. I’ll click through a lot of boxes and alerts and grant permissions that I shouldn’t. I’m SUPER glad that I won’t accidentally grant, you know, full disk access or accessibility to an app just by clicking on a box that appears at startup.

          I remember back in the bad old days when I was constantly making extra user accounts just to run some program. Kinda sucked. Hard truth is, you sometimes want to run code that you don’t fully trust.

    • FireBeyond 46 minutes ago
      And then one that grinds my gears, perhaps more than it should: there's no way to change the default browser without explicit user action or consent.

      But do that and the very next thing that happens when you try to open a browser or a link in an email?

      "Your browser has been changed from Safari to Chrome. Would you like to use Safari or keep using Chrome?" and for a little salt, the default is "Use Safari".

  • jimrandomh 43 minutes ago
    Prior to MacOS 10.11, Mission Control was good: you would swipe up with four fingers and it would show you a preview of all of your spaces. Then in 10.11, for no discernable reason, they changed it to suck: rather than showing you a preview, the bar just says "Desktop 1", "Desktop 2", etc until you mouse over it; the practical effect is that using spaces is disorienting and requires memorization.

    Some third-party software pretends to restore this functionality, but they do it by repositioning the mouse to simulate a hover, which introduces a delay and doesn't integrate correctly with the animation. Someone wrote a patch that works by disabling SIP and injecting code (https://github.com/briankendall/forceFullDesktopBar), but eventually stopped maintaining it.

    A decade later, I doubt anyone at Apple remembers that this bit of user interface used to be good.

    • ebbi 30 minutes ago
      Agree! That "Desktop 1", "Desktop 2" view is so annoying, and given we have higher res monitors now, it serves no purpose if the intention was to save space.
  • felixding 18 minutes ago
    Slightly off-topic: the old Aqua UI looks so much better. Not only it was much easier to see what's a control and what's text, but it also looked visually nicer (subjective, I know).
  • arkits 38 minutes ago
    DockDoor does this and a lot more. Its also open source https://dockdoor.net/
  • toomim 38 minutes ago
    I just installed it, but I can't get it to switch spaces, or show the grid overlay. It just beeps at me with the "you can't do that" beep. When I click "Add Desktop", it says "Could Not Add Desktop" and "GridLion could not read the current Spaces for this display."

    This is a M1 macbook air. I really want to try this.

  • veidr 1 hour ago
    This fixes a dozens-of-times-per-day annoyance for me.

    The grid is good, but even better is the instant virtual display switching.

    Nowhere is the death-by-a-thousand-paper-cuts annoyance of modern macOS worse than having to hit Ctrl→→→→→→→ and suffer those repeated animations, over and over.

    • xp84 38 minutes ago
      It's every action on Mac and iOS that does this, and it has been increasing in intrusiveness for a decade. I can't be sure why they do it, but it comes off as though their visual designers are immature, thinking we want to see their impressive animations not just in a demo, not just in a tutorial that we go through once, where we are meant to grasp the relationships between the things, but over and over again, all day long, for decades.

      I freaking don't. One time was plenty. I don't want any animation. And the "reduce animation" feature's implementation is a slap in the face: all the delay -- that part is non-negotiable apparently -- but with blurry crossfades instead.

    • coolmitch 54 minutes ago
      yes! it's the worst!

      I've been using Instant Space Switcher (which got a small callout in tfa) as a targeted fix for this, and it's lifechanging

  • krackers 49 minutes ago
    You could call it hyperspace in an homage to that old 10.6-era application which customized spaces. (Also I just realized why Apple called it called mission control, it allows you to organize spaces).

    Also this is basically a replacement for the zombie TotalSpaces 3

  • benatkin 27 minutes ago
    > LLMs don’t care about UX

    Many parts of the LLM care about UX, and you unlock it with your feedback loop, which is a good way to unlock it but one of many ways.

    One way to show that LLMs care about UX is to have one tutor you about UX. If they weren't trained to care about it, they couldn't do a decent job. But I've asked dozens of questions about UX to LLMs and they have a great deal of insight.

  • Pxtl 31 minutes ago
    I don't get the use of the spatial layout here. A line may be cruder but if you're going full swordfish hackerman mode why are you caring about grid geography at all? Bind each to a hotkey. The only time you're swiping is when you're lost.

    Like what competitive player uses scroll wheel weapon switching in Quakelike games? Nobody

  • behnamoh 1 hour ago
    I am not so hopeful about the future of macOS given that the next CEO of Apple is a hardware guy, not a software person.
    • ibash 57 minutes ago
      That’s one framing, here’s another:

      The next CEO of Apple is someone that cares about quality. (As evidenced by how good the hardware is)

      • behnamoh 50 minutes ago
        > The next CEO of Apple is someone that cares about quality. (As evidenced by how good the hardware is)

        I think it's important "what quality" they care about. Tim Cook cared about supply chain quality, and honestly he did an amazing job, but he didn't care much about software, vision of Apple, etc.

        • LostMyLogin 49 minutes ago
          Their chips are quality and the hardware itself is still some of the best. Which is what I believe they were designed insinuating.
    • xp84 33 minutes ago
      The current guy didn't ever once show a sign he cared about anything but 'Number Go Up'[1] so I don't see how anyone could be worse for those of us who care about the actual product than he was.

      [1] to be clear, I stipulate Cook is indeed the world champion of Number Go Up. Nobody Number Goed Up more than Cook did. For Ternus to do Number Go Up to the same multiplier Cook did, I think he'd have to acquire all the other companies in the world.

  • Analemma_ 1 hour ago
    Oh man, thank you! I was just complaining the other day about the missing Spaces grid… when they first took it away in Lion I looked frantically for the setting to bring it back, with no such luck.

    Ironically, I think the reason they took it away was to help with fullscreen macOS apps, which are a garbage anti-feature it doesn’t seem like anybody uses. Long live the grid!

    • ranebo 49 minutes ago
      Part of the reason I wanted to to make the app is because _I actually do like fullscreen apps_. Or at least maybe I learned to after they took away the grid. In any case I certainly wanted this app to work with them.
  • dyauspitr 52 minutes ago
    I do not like the grid. I can’t see what’s in it.