Trade Dollars with other startups. Book it as revenue

(revswap.ai)

89 points | by tormeh 2 hours ago

30 comments

  • Swizec 46 minutes ago
    Services in kind is a pretty common business practice. You see this a lot at the SMB level especially outside of the US.

    Small businesses are cash strapped. So you find someone who needs your services and you need their services. Instead of exchanging cash, you exchange invoices and do the work. You build them, say, a $5000 website, they perform, say, $5000 of landscaping.

    At big boy levels this is often structured as “strategic partnership”.

    The part that makes it not fraud is that both parties do actually do the work.

    • atomicnumber3 23 minutes ago
      This feels very adjacent to the story about the whole town in debt, and the rich guy leaves a $100 bill on the table, [and so on], in a way that I can't quite put my finger on.
      • throwaway667555 2 minutes ago
        You can't put your finger on it because money is merely an accumulator and medium of exchange of economic performance. The performance of services in exchange for other services without money is a perfectly valid economic exchange that can and should be booked to revenue of each of the parties, if actually performed.
    • skeeter2020 24 minutes ago
      the last thing you should do in this scenario is book that as revenue. Of course I would never do this, but you could keep it off the books.
  • titanomachy 32 minutes ago
    • fancyfredbot 13 minutes ago
      "This is a parody website. Any resemblance to real companies wash-trading their revenue is purely coincidental and also definitely happening."
  • jwr 1 hour ago
    I find this amusing: I'm from Poland, where after the VAT tax was introduced in the 1990s, there were famous "VAT carousel" crimes, with people ending up in prison. The basic idea was similar, except you also collected VAT refunds from the state.

    If you search for "vat carousel" today, it seems this is still a thing.

    • debarshri 1 hour ago
      VAT carousel is fraud. This is pre-legal.
    • gaiagraphia 31 minutes ago
      VAT is a joke of a tax. It's quite incredible why the government concerns itself with chasing people's accounts around. What a waste.

      If something can't be monitored with minimal effort, it only serves to enrich the legal/accountancy/hr/admin priest caste.

      The amount of labour wasted on moving numbers around numbers is staggering.

      edit: Between the government and businesses, VAT costs 5% in admin fees to raise. In a modern world where most transactions are digital, is this a great use of resources?

  • clearstack 45 minutes ago
    SEC calls this round-tripping. ASC 606 requires commercial substance — if both parties just book offsetting transactions, auditors flag the net cash flow as zero
    • RobotToaster 39 minutes ago
      What if they buy each other's NFTs instead?
    • whatever1 42 minutes ago
      offsetting in what horizon? I give you 100 in q4 2026 you give me 100 in q1 2027
      • skeeter2020 20 minutes ago
        They're already ahead of you; you have to consistently book revenue (accrual or cash basis) which means they both go at the same time (which would offset) or that real money is being exchanged. You can't accrue the 100 you're (supposedly) giving me now and THEN accrue the 100 I'm giving you next year.
  • RobotToaster 45 minutes ago
    Anyone else getting "SSL_ERROR_NO_CYPHER_OVERLAP"
    • Kim_Bruning 20 minutes ago
      Confirmed. Firefox and Chrome.
    • 0xffany 41 minutes ago
      Visiting the website's url (revswap.ai without www) redirects me to revai.com which is for sale on godaddy... Fastest enshittification ever?
    • 1attice 42 minutes ago
      Yes. :/ GrapheneOS over here
  • hliyan 1 hour ago
    The best bit of tongue-in-cheek is in the FAQ:

    > We take 2% of every swap. Then we swap our revenue with another platform.

  • Frozen_Flame 1 hour ago
    What if instead of trading dollars I want to promise to trade dollars in the future? My investors need to see me capturing the market. Might even create some panic for added fun.
  • PeterStuer 10 minutes ago
    It's weird to keep referring to these AI behemoths as "startups".
  • Havoc 1 hour ago
    The FAQ is amazing....pre-legal haha

    This is why substance over form is a thing in revenue accounting. Unless you're an American AI company ofc.

  • luke5441 1 hour ago
    Let no one have the excuse of "this was so unexpected" once it burns down.
  • theartfuldodger 19 minutes ago
    Never seen that particular SSL error before!
  • alansaber 51 minutes ago
    Reinventing tax litigation from first principles
  • david927 39 minutes ago
    I remember in the couple years before the dot com crash in 2000, there was a lot of satire being written which was being taken very seriously. You couldn't tell what was serious and what was humor because both were absurd.
  • sscaryterry 46 minutes ago
    (Pending) Crime-as-a-Service
  • zoba 34 minutes ago
    Reminds me a bit of the NFT parody site https://nfd.miami
  • stego-tech 57 minutes ago
    I don’t see anything topping the internet today better than this. Perfect, no notes.
  • thelastgallon 1 hour ago
    I like this bit:

    Read the whitepaper*

    *there is no whitepaper

  • everfrustrated 58 minutes ago
    AKA YC companies buying from each other.
  • Lucasoato 1 hour ago
    Some of the text can't be read if opened in Firefox with dark mode as default. Kudos to you guys for making it anyway!
  • debarshri 1 hour ago
    What are the types of ARR the platform support?

    Can it also generate SOC2 certifications in days?

    • random3 1 hour ago
      They gotta become a platform, so likely more will come
      • janderson215 54 minutes ago
        I heard they started a hardware unit operating in stealth, but the rumor is they’re working on a box.
  • whatever1 49 minutes ago
    It’s down already. The fund exceeded its capacity.
  • baggachipz 1 hour ago
    Is there a way we can leverage the Gig Economy to book large gains?
  • grey-area 1 hour ago
    Activities like this are a good sign of a bubble close to bursting. The circular deals Nvidia and OpenAI have done are good examples of this.

    https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2026-ai-circular-deals

    • FergusArgyll 16 minutes ago
      It's a joke
      • grey-area 7 minutes ago
        It’s a funny joke because it is truly happening (without the fraud as a service middleman). This sort of trade has been rampant the last few years in the AI and GPU space.
  • felipellrocha 44 minutes ago
    This can’t be legal, can it?
  • rizza 55 minutes ago
    This took me far too long to figure out that it was parody. I'm sure some VC has at least thought of building a SEC Violations as a Service platform. This is truly the dumbest timeline.
  • testing22321 1 hour ago
    I pay you a million dollars to eat dog shit. You pay me a million dollars to eat dog shit.

    The result? The GDP goes up two million and we both have shit eating grins.

    • wordpad 2 minutes ago
      It's a bad example, because both sides actually got the entertainment they paid for and is totally valid economic activity.
    • cindyllm 1 hour ago
      [dead]
  • desireco42 36 minutes ago
    Domain is down?
  • randometc 1 hour ago
    Obligatory Michael Lewis quote, from Boomerang (2011):

    > Yet another hedge fund manager explained Icelandic banking to me this way: you have a dog, and I have a cat. We agree that each is worth a billion dollars. You sell me the dog for a billion, and I sell you the cat for a billion. Now we are no longer pet owners but Icelandic banks, with a billion dollars in new assets.

    • cucumber3732842 1 hour ago
      That's just a variant of this old one:

      Two economists are walking through a cow pasture.

      The first economist says to the other “I’ll pay you $100 to eat that pile of shit.” The second economist takes the $100 and eats the pile of shit.

      They continue walking until they come across a second pile of shit. The second economist turns to the first and says “I’ll pay you $100 to eat that pile of shit.” The first economist takes the $100 and eats a pile of shit.

      Walking a little more, the first economist looks at the second and says, "You know, I gave you $100 to eat shit, then you gave me back the same $100 to eat shit. I can't help but feel like we both just ate shit for nothing."

      "That's not true", responded the second economist. "We increased the GDP by $200!"

      • lesuorac 34 minutes ago
        Well while the pile of shit makes it a joke, isn't there a real advantage here of legibility?

        Like you have a measure (GDP) and it can't accurate measure things unless a sale occurs. So even if the money is a wash there was an actual activity occurring in the economy and now it's recorded.

      • jerf 32 minutes ago
        Except the GP quote actually happens.

        For example, if you've ever wondered why useless art trades at such eye-watering valuations, the answer is that the high valuations are fictions that governments will accept for tax purposes, from which you can derive a variety of exciting tax consequences: https://naturalist.gallery/blogs/journal/understanding-the-f... more-or-less because they agree among themselves what the art is valuated at for their own benefit.

  • spwa4 1 hour ago
    Isn't this highly illegal, and worst of all: this is cheating taxes ...

    Let's just say if you really want to commit crimes, don't start with challenging the IRS. Just don't. There's so many horror stories about that.

    • HumblyTossed 58 minutes ago
      As the FAQ suggests, it's "pre-legal".

      But it's all for mocking the current market... so.

  • mytailorisrich 2 hours ago
    "This is a parody website. Any resemblance to real companies wash-trading their revenue is purely coincidental and also definitely happening."