The map that keeps Burning Man honest

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174 points | by speckx 1 hour ago

15 comments

  • ruleryak 24 minutes ago
    Last year was tough - it rained for hours 5 nights in a row and the first rain night was accompanied by 70 mile an hour winds that did a massive amount of damage to camp infrastructure throughout the city. The roads in half the city were ruined by emergency traffic that kept on running throughout the storms, and the result was a lumpy nightmare that shook things loose from cars and bikes at a much higher rate than most years. The mud absorbed and hid things and made cleanup a far more grueling process than it usually is. We endured and did our best to still find and remove everything - breaking up mud clumps and raking/sifting through the dirt at the end of the week to find all that embedded trash. There are no public trash cans, no event dumpsters, etc. I can say from having been there almost every year since 07 that this was by far the hardest year for "mooping" - the process of spotting and picking up any item that shouldn't be on the ground - but that the group mindset endured and we somehow still trended downward in terms of overall trash.

    I think the main difference between this and 2023 (the previous "mud burn") was that this time we had all the rain in the first half of the event, and then had relatively great weather for the second half. In 23, it closed out with the mud and people fleeing, leading to a spike.

    • joenot443 11 minutes ago
      Yeah, last year we were calling it Building Man cause the first three days were just rebuilding the setup from the previous day's storm.
      • quux 4 minutes ago
        We called it "Continuous Improvement Man" because by the 3rd round of building our camp we had the process really dialed in
      • ruleryak 2 minutes ago
        lol, yeah - we got really good at tearing down the public space and getting everything into the container truck and then pulling it back out and building again. Party for whatever portion of the day we could, and then speed-run the teardown when the first drops of rain started coming down.
  • Waterluvian 25 minutes ago
    I won't pretend I grok the underlying spirit of Burning Man. But I find it deeply fascinating to see the interaction between desires for counterculture, anarchy, free spirit, etc. and the benefit and ultimate necessity of organization, planning, rules... governance, essentially. And where there's those things, there's always maps and data.
    • throwup238 10 minutes ago
      It’s fun to read everyone's preconceptions about Burning Man. Its ten principles are published [1] and include stuff like “radical inclusion” and “civic responsibility” and “gifting” (the latter of which is taken very literally, there is almost no currency use on the playa and everything is gifted except ice and coffee at center camp).

      Those principles tend to attract the kind of people associated with counterculture and anarchists, but it’s hardly representative, especially when you include the family zone and all the specialized camps.

      [1] https://burningman.org/about-us/10-principles/

    • quux 14 minutes ago
      The natural tension between chaos and order is one of the things that makes Burning Man so interesting.
    • dizhn 5 minutes ago
      It's actually pretty compatible with "capital a" Anarchy.
    • Jarwain 14 minutes ago
      Honestly, that contrast is what draws me in. In the same way ultralight hiking forces you to think about and let go of extraneous weight, going to Burning Man and doing the whole camp thing and seeing the city work showcases the "dead weight" of "making things happen".
    • nathan_compton 4 minutes ago
      People think of anarchism as against organizations and rules, but its just against hierarchy. Western people in particular are so used to hierarchical thinking that its difficult to even imagine an organization that isn't hierarchical in nature.
      • simonask 0 minutes ago
        Hierarchy is “Western” now?
  • childofhedgehog 1 hour ago
    So a giant party can clean up after itself, but 4th of July in Tahoe for example is a toxic mess. I wish more people would practice these principles. It’s impressive how well this is cleaned up.
    • phillmv 1 hour ago
      it helps that there's a regulatory agency that verifies the cleanup happened! if the 4th of july might get canceled the following year ppl might be more aggressive around cleaning up.
      • pstuart 56 minutes ago
        Participants also have to feel like they are part of the event rather than passive spectators.
    • BergAndCo 56 minutes ago
      [dead]
  • cmiles8 1 hour ago
    My respect for Burning Man just went up a lot.

    These big events usually leave a giant mess behind. Glad to see they take the cleanup and restoration so seriously.

    • quux 11 minutes ago
      To paraphrase Captain Malcom Reynolds: "My days of not taking Burning Man seriously are definitely coming to a middle."
    • BergAndCo 53 minutes ago
      [dead]
  • jobs_throwaway 29 minutes ago
    Actually an enormous whitepill on Burning Man. Modest amounts of debris, real accountability, and improvement over time despite overall growth. You really can't ask for much more.
  • charles_f 1 hour ago
    > its release inevitably fuels a bit of public finger-pointing

    Is this what's helping with that?

    > the most striking trend is that the community has steadily improved at Leave No Trace

    Probably not only? But shame and avoidance of shame can be good motivation

  • john_strinlai 55 minutes ago
  • swerner 19 minutes ago
    If you think that’s dedication: I met Dominic (DA) who they interviewed in this article almost 20 years ago in the Spanish desert, where taught us Euroburners the art of MOOP cleanup. He’s been at it for a long time now.
  • zootboy 31 minutes ago
    Sounds to me like there ought to be a MOOP cleanup deposit charged upfront, that only gets returned after this inspection. If the cleanup crew has to clean your site, you forfeit part or all of your deposit. Repeat offenders get charged increased deposits each time. Repeat inoffenders(?) get their deposit reduced.
    • ceejayoz 29 minutes ago
      Seems likely this would result in a lot of disputes over windblown debris and neighbors dumping their stuff on your spot after you leave.
      • lkbm 22 minutes ago
        This is definitely a concern. We've pretty much always been green, but it's hard to police after you leave, and usually we're gone before Temple Burn. (One year two of our camp mates stayed for Temple Burn and they ended up having to pack out two extra bikes that got dumped, in addition to having to deal with multiple people trying to camp in our empty spot. Maybe those people would've been fine, but given that they didn't understand the open camping situation, I'm unsure they understood LNT either.)
    • 0xbadcafebee 21 minutes ago
      This results in affluent people leaving all of their moop because they don't care about the deposit, which creates so much trash it requires a lot more staff and time to clean up. Existing system works: you clean up your moop because you're a good community member, shamed on Reddit if you don't, and if you're a problem multiple times, out you go.
    • Jarwain 6 minutes ago
      This penalizes honest mistakes, or moop from prior years that gets churned up for one reason or another.

      The moop map, and community holding itself accountable, seems to be a decently functioning system.

      Not to mention the administrative overhead, at the org level and at the camp level.

      Frankly being a camp of 100+ people, not just taking dues but also handling this Deposit, and distributing the cost fairly?

      Running a camp is enough of a pain in the ass without adding on this kind of thing.

      Monetary incentive systems like what you're suggesting are just a way of enforcing culture. If culture spreads organically, why bother with the overhead of bringing money into the picture?

  • rdl 31 minutes ago
    If the issue are tent stakes/lag bolts which get buried under surface, clear solution would be metal detectors available to borrow/rent (or brought by each camp). Also probably could do a drone or ground robot with a metal detecting loop on the bottom.
    • Jarwain 5 minutes ago
      The problem isn't that there aren't solutions, the problem is getting everyone on board
    • wffurr 24 minutes ago
      Or just count them before and after. Know how many you're supposed to bring home.
  • fontain 49 minutes ago
    > In 2025, lag bolts were by far the biggest problem. They anchor tents, art pieces, and other infrastructure into the ground, and can easily disappear beneath the dust.

    I thought of a few potential solutions but then clicked through to the journal entry for last year and it turns out they're way ahead, the journal article is very interesting with some ideas: https://journal.burningman.org/2026/03/black-rock-city/leavi...

    • Jarwain 21 minutes ago
      My camp, while doing our moop sweep in 2023, found lag bolts from prior years!

      2023 was a weird one, because of the heavy rain and so many people not being used to it.

      But it also seriously churned the Playa, revealing what was hidden for a whiiile

    • s0rce 35 minutes ago
      Marking whiskers, as mentioned, seem like a good solution if you can keep them attached. They are designed to be easily visible on the ground.
  • gorfian_robot 32 minutes ago
    the moop map used to be a analog creation with pics of it uploaded every day of the resto(ration) process. some years ago they switched to digital tools and now they don't release it for several months after the event. huh.
    • actionfromafar 28 minutes ago
      I want to know more about this analog upload! :-)
    • dekdrop 27 minutes ago
      what sort of tool they use?
  • Worf 52 minutes ago
    Is "plant matter" weed?
    • mrWiz 48 minutes ago
      Mostly no. Dead leaves that were just lying on a trailer without getting cleaned in advance and bits of decorative plants that broke off are probably the worst offenders.
      • quux 28 minutes ago
        Worth noting: Plants, living or dead, are banned from Burning Man because they turn into moop really easily, but some always end up there anyway
    • ceejayoz 51 minutes ago
      You think they’re leaving any of that behind?
  • soared 1 hour ago
    Imagine if environmental regulation, pollution, etc looked like this.
    • ceejayoz 50 minutes ago
      This is an environmental regulatory requirement by the Federal Bureau of Land Management.
      • john_strinlai 41 minutes ago
        for the curios or those that skipped over it:

        "Black Rock City is only allowed to return to the playa each year if it passes a strict post-event inspection from the Bureau of Land Management (BLM): No more than one square foot of debris can remain per acre (0.23 m²/ha)."

        • Scoundreller 26 minutes ago
          K, but what’s a square foot in metric? And percent would be better here. Or per Mille to be annoying.
          • Sardtok 20 minutes ago
            Read it again, it says right there in square metres.
            • hk__2 11 minutes ago
              Isn’t it strange to mesure this in surface rather than volume?
      • Jarwain 17 minutes ago
        They aren't referring to the regulatory requirement, but the response, I think?

        Like if people can put in this much time and effort in a remote desert environment to meet regulatory requirements, and document their efforts so thoroughly, why can't corpos?

    • MattGaiser 49 minutes ago
      This is driven in part by regulatory pressure.