Apple reports second quarter results

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76 points | by mfiguiere 3 hours ago

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  • pwatsonwailes 2 hours ago
    Short version:

    Reported quarterly revenue: ~$111 billion, so a 17% year-over-year increase.

    Diluted earnings per share: ~$2. 22% increase compared to the same quarter last year.

    Operating cash flow: surpassed $28 billion. Record for a March quarter.

    iPhone: Record March-quarter revenue of ~$57 billion, heavily supported by demand for the iPhone 17.

    Services: Hit an all-time high revenue record of ~$31 billion.

    Capital Allocation: The board raised the quarterly cash dividend by 4% to $0.27 per share and authorized an additional $100 billion for share repurchases.

    More generally, we're seeing a transition in their financials away from hardware dependence. At this point we can pretty conclusively say that Apple is now a hardware manufacturer mainly, backed up by a high-margin services ecosystem. Services revenue has grown consistently, providing a smoothing function against the more spikey revenue from the hardware product cycles.

    Overall they've managed to maintain an ability to deliver double-digit growth, despite creating categories of product which haven't succeeded, providing enough free cash flow to continue their insane (in terms of scale) capital return program (dividends and massive buybacks in the main).

    • dmboyd 2 hours ago
      So hardware independent, they don’t even have any Mac minis, Mac pros or Mac studios in stock anymore
      • r0fl 1 hour ago
        This comment hits hard as I tried to buy a Mac Mini this morning and could not find one anywhere in Calgary
      • crazygringo 1 hour ago
        As a company, this is a great problem to have. Way better than the opposite.
      • zitterbewegung 1 hour ago
        Doesn't this prove that they are hardware independent? Even having products not in stock was a Steve Jobs thing and this is possibly a temporary effect of supply chains changing.
    • readitalready 1 hour ago
      They really need to build their own fabs at this point. AI is going to kill their ASIC and DRAM supply chain if they don't.

      "Real men have fabs." - Jerry Sanders, first CEO of AMD.

      Actually, AMD, Nvidia, and Apple need to build their own fabs. Maybe Google, Amazon, and Meta too.

      • trueno 1 hour ago
        I always wonder if this is a possibility. They've worked so closely with TSMC that they've many times over the decade bankrolled R&D and equipment that TSMC uses. I would be super interested to know if that relationship has left them enough know-how of the fab process to someday control their destiny there, that would actually be pretty insane.
      • kushalpandya 1 hour ago
        Perhaps something that Ternus can add to his legacy-building exercise, given that he led hardware.
      • kilroy123 53 minutes ago
        Especially outside of Taiwan.
    • fartfeatures 1 hour ago
      The capital return program was a massive own goal in my humble opinion. It will work for now but soon Apple will go through their Intel years because they spent too long sweating their (admittedly incredible) assets. Something like Harmony OS is going to eat their lunch and they will only have themselves to blame.
      • kenferry 1 hour ago
        I imagine you're saying the capital return program is a mistake because they should reinvest the money in R&D etc.

        I think the issue is there's diminishing returns to spending, and in some cases it can be outright negative. For example, one major thing you can do with money is hire more people. Hiring more people than you can handle is a great way to grind everything to a halt. You're basically making a bet when you hire that the additional capacity outweighs the danger of coordination failure.

        Perhaps you could invest more money in fabs or something like that. I don't know, I'm a software person. But I did work at apple on software for 15 years, and I do not think throwing more money at software is particularly effective. The biggest teams at apple are often the least functional.

        • fartfeatures 1 hour ago
          Yeah that's definitely what I'm saying.

          Hopefully there is work being done on the replacement for the Mach kernel and OSX / iOS in general. If there isn't that would be a grave mistake and exactly the kind of one someone like Tim Cook would make. Look at how he fumbled AI at Apple. I'm not saying he isn't talented, he is, but he isn't a product guy or an engineer.

          This could happen in parallel with existing software dev skunkworks style.

          • greedo 43 minutes ago
            Why on earth would they migrate away from the Mach kernel and OSX/iOS?
            • fartfeatures 36 minutes ago
              Because nothing lasts forever. Take a look at what Harmony OS is capable of if you want to see what a modern take on an OS and ecoystem looks like. It sure isn't the pinnacle either.
              • greedo 16 minutes ago
                There's no reason for Apple to migrate; none at all. The idea that they need to do so is just ridiculous, regardless of what Harmony OS may do. iOS/macOS does exactly what they need.

                Will things change? Perhaps if/when quantum computing becomes a bigger item.

              • nozzlegear 24 minutes ago
                Can you give a brief comparison? I'm not familiar with Harmony OS and wouldn't know where to start on comparing the two.
      • MoonWalk 1 hour ago
        That is absurd. Nobody is arguing that Apple should deplete its war chest. Steve Jobs's infantile stance against dividends has fortunately been replaced by a proper return to the company's OWNERS.

        And "Harmony OS" is going to threaten their ecosystem of hardware, software, services, and developers?

    • krm01 1 hour ago
      I wonder if there’s a breakdown of their top performing or fastest growing services. It’s interesting how they dont seem to promote the services that much yet are seeing tremendous growth.
      • xp84 1 hour ago
        Always remember that most of their “services” revenue is the App Store 30% tax on casino games for children, and the commissions for Safari default search engine coming from Google. These two are Apple’s twin licenses to print money, and both of them grow without Apple needing to innovate or really do anything.

        App Store grows as the addictive game publishers improve their manipulation skills, and Google’s check grows as browser usage increases. Every time someone types, say, “Citibank” into the search box and doesn’t add .com, Apple earns a tiny payment from Google.

        I’m sure they als make a decent chunk of money from iCloud as users who buy base models are almost certainly forced to make use of iCloud Photo Library to free up enough space on the device to even function; but I suspect it’s orders of magnitude less than that.

        • nozzlegear 21 minutes ago
          I pay $40/month for Apple One alone, not to mention my various AppleCare subscriptions. Surely they make more money from that kind of service than google search payments.
        • bombcar 45 minutes ago
          I should buy a share of AAPL and instigate a shareholder’s lawsuit that argues that calling the App Store baksheesh “services” is misleading.
    • greedo 45 minutes ago
      "More generally, we're seeing a transition in their financials away from hardware dependence."

      Nonsense. They make 72% of their revenue from hardware, and without those hardware sales, the Services category would be nil.

    • gigatexal 1 hour ago
      I wish they’d stop doing buy backs and invest 100B in R&D … imagine what they could do in battery tech or otherwise.
    • whatever1 1 hour ago
      The other reading is that the company plans to shift to a no-growth one, since it starts to return 100's of Bs to the shareholders, essentially admitting they cannot invest them in the company itself.
  • flats 2 hours ago
    I subscribed to MacAddict in the mid-90s, back when Gil Amelio was Apple’s CEO, the company couldn’t ship software (Copland, Dylan, Gershwin, etc.), & they could barely afford to acquire NeXT.

    It still blows my mind that this is the same company.

    • pwatsonwailes 2 hours ago
      In most ways, it isn't meaningfully. It became what it is now, but in the same way a 600 year old oak isn't anything like an acorn or a sapling, what exists now isn't meaningfully that.

      They're a monster. Vastly impressive stuff.

    • wat10000 1 hour ago
      The joke is that NeXT acquired Apple and got paid to do it.

      There’s a lot of truth to it. A huge amount of the software stack is inherited from NeXT. Steve Jobs was inherited from NeXT. Modern Apple is vastly more successful than NeXT ever was, but there’s a lot of continuity there as well.

      • marsten 1 hour ago
        In fairness to all concerned, the MacOS to MacOS X transition was brilliantly executed. These days we take VMs for granted, but back then it was a novel idea to run MacOS 8 as a process inside of MacOS X (the "blue box"). For most users it was seamless.
        • bombcar 44 minutes ago
          Microsoft had done something similar (twice!) but Apple polished the living daylights out of it.
          • wat10000 30 minutes ago
            Apple did it before as well. A/UX ran System 7 in a UNIX process. That was a really niche system, though.
      • nostrademons 1 hour ago
        It's right there in the developer APIs. All of those NS_ prefixes in the MacOS and iOS SDKs stand for NeXTSTEP.
  • benoau 1 hour ago
    There's only a handful of sources for the services revenue which is growing like crazy, I wonder if they've been able to negotiate a higher ad revenue cut with Google which was revealed to be 36% in Google's antitrust trial, leaving a lot of money on the table.

    It definitely looks like they've been able to stall the effect of rulings allowing apps to use third party payments. But earlier this week the courts reversed a stay of December's injunction that limits Apple to a very small fee, in their arguments against the stay Epic claimed developers were hesitant to use 3rd party payments until they knew what the final cost would be and that reversing the stay would mitigate their fears so it will be interesting to see what happens next quarter.

    • nozzlegear 13 minutes ago
      It's worth considering (IMO, anyway) that users don't want to use apps that use third party billing, too. That's my own preference, I avoid them and look for something that lets me pay via the App Store instead. In the cases where I can't do that (Disney, Netflix), I just leave a bad review and send feedback on their website asking to pay in the app.
  • maz1b 2 hours ago
    It seems to me that Apple is only going to be further increasing the number of price points and "levels" of caliber of devices, from budget/entry level all the way to new heights such as things like iPhone Ultra or Macbook Ultra, because services will be have an even wider net to cast into (If you're buying Ultra devices, you'll probably get AppleCare+, and if you have new apple devices such as the Neo or 17e etc, you'll be more likely to get Apple music or books or fitness or whatnot.
    • antipaul 2 hours ago
      Focused on "simplicity", they used to have only a "tableful" of products.

      With more products, will Apple collapse under the weight of the complexity?

      • fckgw 1 hour ago
        They pretty much still only have a "Good -> Better -> Best" ladder for the majority of their products, with a handful of "niche" offerings sprinkled in. Complexity hasn't increased much from those days, they added one extra column and row

        iPhone: iPhone 17e -> iPhone 17 -> iPhone 17 Pro (Niche: iPhone Air)

        iPad: iPad -> iPad Air - > iPad Pro (Niche: iPad Mini)

        Mac Laptop: Macbook Neo -> Macbook Air -> Macbook Pro

        Mac Desktop: Mac Mini -> iMac -> Mac Studio

        They have product with different screen sizes, but those are really just configuration options on the base product in that tier, now. Compare that to offerings from Samsung or Dell and you can see it could be much, much more complicated.

      • fumar 2 hours ago
        That was a different era of consumer behavior. Consumers are hyper targeted with personalized organic and paid messages. The algorithmic media ecosystem mitigates or counters complex product offerings. For example, my YouTube feed displays Apple Pro devices reviews over other lines like iPad basic. Also, purchase power acts as a natural filter.
        • wat10000 1 hour ago
          The customer base is also so much bigger. Just before the the iMac was introduced, they were selling under half a million Macs per quarter. And that was divided up among a bunch of different models. That makes it much harder to manage production and inventory, and your development costs get spread across fewer units. With 10x more Mac sales and 100x more iPhone sales, there’s more room for variety.
      • kshacker 1 hour ago
        There is a difference between 5 B revenue and 400 B revenue.

        Also the price point shifted from primarily a 2K machine, to all price ranges, with the original iPhone being a few hundred bucks. More sales smaller units so the number of products being sold is more than it appears based on the revenue comparison.

        Maybe the price per unit is available somewhere for people to trend how it changed over 2-3 decades.

    • sudb 2 hours ago
      I am personally saddest to hear about the discontinuation of the Vision Pro - in a couple of generations there was a solid chance that it would be easy sell for me and/or other people who don't VR/AR game but probably would use it for media/productivity.
      • merelysounds 2 hours ago
        I couldn’t find information about discontinuation in the article - did I miss it or is there another source?

        Edit, I found this: https://www.macrumors.com/2026/04/29/apple-vision-pro-m5-flo... - seems like rumors; but perhaps as close to an announcement as we’ll ever get.

        • bombcar 42 minutes ago
          Apparently it’s more that they’ve stopped making them because they have more than enough stocked up.
        • wat10000 1 hour ago
          The Vision Pro has been getting discontinued about once a month for the past two years.
      • MoonWalk 48 minutes ago
        "in a couple of generations there was a solid chance that it would be easy sell for me and/or other people who don't VR/AR game but probably would use it for media/productivity."

        Why in a couple of generations? You've put your finger on why the product failed: Apple's fear of connectivity. Apple zealously cripples the I/O on all of its mobile products, rendering them unusable for so many things.

        All the Vision Pro needed was a video input. Gamers, 3-D modelers, drone pilots, filmmakers, engineers, travelers... all would have been a ready market for an excellent head-mounted video device. But nope... Apple can't have people doing anything with its products that it didn't think of.

      • greedo 1 hour ago
        There's been nothing but rumors about that. I don't think it's getting canned.
      • joe_mamba 2 hours ago
        >I am personally saddest to hear about the discontinuation of the Vision Pro

        I'm more sad they cancelled their EV project. We need more healthy competition there than public spying VR ski goggles.

        • bryanlarsen 1 hour ago
          There is tons of EV competition. 252 new EV models were announced at the Beijing Auto Show last week. Reviews of the Xiaomi SU7 2026 generally acknowledge it as best in class. etc.
          • testing22321 1 hour ago
            Yeah, but Americans can’t buy those.
        • giarc 1 hour ago
          The competition would have been at the luxury end. Apple would have been competing with Mercedes, BMW and Cadillac, not with Hyundai and Kia.
          • twobitshifter 1 hour ago
            Why luxury? Apple is mass market not luxury.
            • bombcar 41 minutes ago
              Apple sells mass market by marketing it as luxury.

              And to be fair, it kinda is. The OS on the Neo is the same as on a Mac Pro (RIP)

  • aetherspawn 1 hour ago
    If they’re going hard in on services maybe they’ll finally go up against Microsoft 365 and Google Workspace, proper.

    Between the two someone needs to disrupt it with a cheaper stripped down alternative (from a big player) because the prices are going through the roof.

    • marsten 1 hour ago
      Unless they change their tack, Apple is unlikely to go head to head against Microsoft 365 or Google Workspace because they only target their own ecosystem (macOS/iOS). For MS and Google these Apple-owned platforms are not their primary user base.
    • greedo 40 minutes ago
      Apple has no desire to go into the enterprise space.
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  • nsbk 1 hour ago
    All this while passing on the leap of faith everybody else is taking in the form of crazy AI investments.

    If the bubble bursts, Apple with its mountain of cash will be ready to buy the carcasses of whatever is left.

    • bitpush 1 hour ago
      If the bubble bursts why would Apple buy any AI companies?
      • marsten 59 minutes ago
        More likely they would buy the assets of AI companies for pennies on the dollar. There could be a lot of H100s floating around at fire sale prices. Or they would acquire these companies for talent.

        Google did this for several years in the early 2000s – snapping up talent and data center capacity from the casualties of the dotcom bust.

        • bitpush 53 minutes ago
          What will they do with all that H100s? They dont O&O any data centers. AFAIK, Apple uses GCP for iCloud.

          Also, remember H100 will be ~years old. Sometimes I wonder whether the average HN crowd really thinks through things.

          Apple has historically shown an unwillingness to deploy capital to "own" things. They partner with TSMC for manufactoring, they get their panels from Samsung, Google on Gemini ..

          Vertically integrated doesnt mean they "make" everything, but instead partners build things to their specification.

          • greedo 38 minutes ago
            Apple does own datacenters. They have eight, not to many colocation facilities.
            • bitpush 25 minutes ago
              Do you know what they house in those? Eight seem too few for someone like Apple, who serves billions of users.
      • williadc 1 hour ago
        For the same reason that Yahoo should have bought Google after the dot-com bust. AI is useful and will eventually change the world. Many companies won't be able to provide sufficient returns, but will still have useful assets that Apple could buy at a discount.
  • lysace 1 hour ago
    So I really wanted to understand the different kinds of margins. Yes, this was made with the help of an AI, with lots of iterations to make it applicable to Apple and easily understandable. I attempted to verify the numbers manually fwiw. Now please roast me.

    Net profit margin: 26.6% ($29.58B / $111.18B) — what shareholders keep after taxes and everything else.

    Operating margin: 32.3% ($35.89B / $111.18B) — left after the product and running the company (staff, R&D, marketing, stores).

    Gross margin: 49.3% ($54.78B / $111.18B) — left after paying suppliers and contract manufacturers. Shows how much more customers pay than it costs to build.

    • twobitshifter 59 minutes ago
      Correction, shareholders don’t keep the profit, the company keeps most of this on its balance sheet which may cause a corresponding rise in the price of Apple’s stock if people did not already anticipate that level of return. (And markets are rational)

      The only money that shareholders keep is the dividend per share which was $0.27 out of a profit of $2.01 per share.

  • brcmthrowaway 1 hour ago
    Decent even though Google, OpenAI, Anthropic eating their lunch on AI.
    • ryandrake 1 hour ago
      They're not really in that business, though, so who cares? It's like saying Apple is eating the other guys' lunch on Swift adoption. Or Microsoft is eating their lunch on Video Games. There's no rule that says "All companies must focus on AI."
    • uejfiweun 1 hour ago
      That's the case for now, but I get this feeling that in 3 years we're all likely to just be running local models on Apple Silicon and they're gonna be having the last laugh.