New 10 GbE USB adapters are cooler, smaller, cheaper

(jeffgeerling.com)

123 points | by calcifer 3 hours ago

10 comments

  • GeertJohan 1 hour ago
    A Framework expansion card was also announced this week. https://frame.work/nl/en/products/wisdpi-10g-ethernet-expans...
    • topspin 1 hour ago
      That link notes:

      "Card supports 10Gbit/s and 10/100/1000/2500/5000/10000Mbit/s Ethernet"

      Nice to see; some NICs are shedding 10/100 support. Apparently, it's not necessary to do this, even in a low cost device.

      • userbinator 1 hour ago
        Low-cost devices are exactly where 10/100 is still widely used. On PCs, it's a common power-saving mode.
  • deepsun 1 hour ago
    Is it also possible to power a laptop through those adapters? PoE++ can deliver up to 100W of power, more than enough for most laptops.
    • lostlogin 8 minutes ago
      The idea of a POE Mac mini makes me happy. It would be a nice way of power cycling it from the switch, tidier than the smart plug I have.

      https://hackaday.com/2023/08/14/adding-power-over-ethernet-s...

    • eqvinox 1 hour ago
      Theoretically yes, practically that hasn't been built yet. I've only seen it for 2.5Gbase-T, and only for 802.3bt Type 3 (51W).

      If anyone's aware of something better, I'd be interested too :)

      (Then again I wouldn't voluntarily use 5Gb-T or 10Gb-T anyway, and ≈50W is enough for most use cases.)

      [ed.: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807960919319.html ("2.5GPD2CBT-20V" variant) - actually 2.5G not 1G as I wrote initially]

      • Iulioh 1 hour ago
        Eh.

        A lot of laptops won't accept less than 60w

        My work laptop won't accept less than 90w (A modern HP, i7 155h with a random low end GPU)

        At first everyone at the office just assumed that the USB C wasn't able to charge the pc

        • javawizard 11 minutes ago
          I gotta say, I love my macbooks. Every Apple laptop I've owned that has USB-C ports will happily charge itself from a 5V/1.5A wall charger (albeit extremely slowly).
          • hnlmorg 5 minutes ago
            That hasn’t been my experience. I once tried to charge an M3 MBP via a lower powered wall plug. It was left off over night and the following morning the battery was still at 1%.
        • lostlogin 6 minutes ago
          A Mac mini at home used 4.64w averaged I’ve the last 30 days. Even under load it just sips power.
        • spockz 35 minutes ago
          Great. So we got EU laws to mandate USB-C chargers and then get manufacturers that flaunt the spirit of the law by rejecting lower wattages.
    • gertrunde 31 minutes ago
      I think class 4 tops out at about 71W delivered to the powered device, albeit 90W at the switch port.

      Might be a struggle I suspect!

    • userbinator 31 minutes ago
      Yes, but look up the prices for PoE switches and you might reconsider.
    • burnt-resistor 50 minutes ago
      With 802.3bt type 4 (71W delivered, 90W consumed), absolutely achievable with the proper electronics, but would you trust a no-name, fly-by-night NIC to not fry your expensive devices? That's the biggest hurdle. Possibly a company like Apple, Anker, or similar megacorp or high-trust startup could pull if off.
  • fmajid 45 minutes ago
    FWIW I got a Xikestor 10G adapter with the Realtek chipset from AliExpress and it underperforms my much cheaper 5G one.
  • superjan 37 minutes ago
    My favorite USB ethernet adapter is a lowly 100 MBit one that works everywhere without requiring driver downloads.
  • jordand 46 minutes ago
    For Thunderbolt 4/5 docks, I've held off from buying a high-end Thunderbolt 5 dock as many still have 2.5GbE Ethernet and other limitations with displays. The CalDigit TS5 Plus is one of the only options with 10GbE and its $500 (and usually OoS). I managed to buy an ex-corporate refurb HP Thunderbolt 4 G4 dock for only ~$64 and would recommend others do the same (this has an Intel 2.5GbE and good display outputs)
  • userbinator 2 hours ago
  • sva_ 1 hour ago
    It seems like a lot of laptop manufacturers skipped the USB 3.2 Gen2x2 in favor of USB4/TB4.
    • TMWNN 1 hour ago
      Conversely, the last time I checked a couple of weeks ago, it was impossible to find any USB4 external SSDs on Amazon; only USB 3.2.
      • justinclift 47 minutes ago
        If Amazon is a strict requirement, then this won't help. But if you're ok with AliExpress then it's probably a win:

        https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005008555989592.html

        I have one of these, though I'm using with a USB 3.x port as that's what my desktop has. For me it's working fine, and for others with actual USB 4 ports it seems to be working properly for them.

      • whilenot-dev 1 hour ago
        Wouldn't it be better to just buy an M.2 NVMe adapter, eg. ICY DOCK ICYNano MB861U31-1M2B[0]?

        [0]: https://global.icydock.com/product_247.html

        • justinclift 46 minutes ago
          That doesn't seem to be USB 4?
      • sva_ 1 hour ago
        Really? I see plenty when I search for 'usb4 nvme enclosure'
  • user34283 1 hour ago
    I have a RTL8157 5 Gbps adapter from CableMatters.

    Interestingly it seems to get burning hot on the MacBook M1 Pro while it remains cool on the M5 Pro model.

    Maybe the workload is different, but I would not rule out some sort of hardware or driver difference. I only use a 1G port on my router at the moment.

  • shevy-java 1 hour ago
    Will they be cheaper? I look at the RAM prices. Granted, RAM is in a different category than USB adapters, but I no longer trust anyone writing "will be cheaper" - the reality may be different to the projection made.
  • eqvinox 1 hour ago
    Too bad this is 10Gbase-T, that energy-wasting hot-running garbage needs to die sooner rather than later. Good thing the ranges for 25Gbase-T are short enough to make it impractical for home use.

    (Fibre is nowhere near as "sensitive" as some people believe.)

    • zrm 55 minutes ago
      The problem with fibre isn't the sensitivity. It's that most endpoints have a 1Gbps copper port on them and then Cat6A ports can be used with the common devices but also allow you to add or relocate 10Gbps devices without rewiring the building again.
      • HappMacDonald 50 minutes ago
        However — unlike copper twisted pair — the bandwidth current fiber media can carry is nearly limited by nothing but the optics at each end.
        • zrm 43 minutes ago
          That doesn't solve the chicken and egg problem.

          What probably would is something like having PCIe and USB to 1Gbps fiber adapters that cost $5.

      • mschuster91 27 minutes ago
        In practice though 10G via copper requires pretty perfect terminations. The slightest error leads to crosstalk issues.
    • userbinator 30 minutes ago
      Good thing the ranges for 25Gbase-T are short enough to make it impractical for home use.

      Anyone who talks about 25GBASE-T like it actually exists, doesn't know anything about what they're talking about.

    • spockz 31 minutes ago
      Is the energy consumption inherent to 10Gbase-T? Or is it that 1Gbit nics have been around forever and optimised ad infinitum?

      To be fair, the power consumption is also my biggest gripe with my WiFi 6 AP, they run extremely hot.