16 comments

  • codethief 49 minutes ago
    Related: In the German state of Baden-Württemberg they were miscalculating the number of active teachers for 20 years due to a software error, causing the state to employ 1440 fewer teachers than actually intended.

    https://www.spiegel.de/panorama/bildung/baden-wuerttemberg-s...

    • NewJazz 46 minutes ago
      How is that related? That's a long term calculation error vs short term forecasting error.
  • sgc 1 hour ago
    Given that school budgets are absolutely gutted with mass layoffs this year and next, and the miscalculation looks like 2/3 of the budget shortfall, hiding such a basic and impactful error requires a much better explanation than I see in that article. It looks like it was done to stifle debate about budget allocations, which would be necessary in the circumstances.
    • oatmeal1 12 minutes ago
      The education system seems one of the only places where vastly improving technology over the past 30 years has not translated to cost savings or improved outcomes.
      • aaomidi 3 minutes ago
        Why would we expect schooling to get…cheaper?

        The vast majority of the cost is hiring teachers. It should be staying in line with inflation or even increasing.

    • dmitrygr 59 minutes ago
      • sgc 3 minutes ago
        It is just a fact that California schools are laying off a large percentage of personnel and getting rid of many programs. Pink slips by the thousands have been sent out that will take effect in a couple months at the end of the school year. If you don't know that, you are not informed.

        Those links are completely irrelevant because they are out of date. Budget had temporarily increased due to the availability of COVID funds, and now there is a very harsh snap in the other direction. Shortfalls are directly linked to actions by the Trump administration, and their downstream impacts. Every state needs to step up and deal with it.

        Here is one example of how that is happening, it is a far more significant problem than just this: https://www.cde.ca.gov/nr/ne/yr25/yr25rel35.asp

      • thatfrenchguy 45 minutes ago
        Compared to cost of living though?
      • idiotsecant 51 minutes ago
        Your own link says CA spends less than UNESCO’s 15.0% standard.

        Also, you could frame this in a much more information dense way by making an active claim about something instead of just spamming a bunch of links.

        • dmix 38 minutes ago
          A quick google search of the UNSECO target is "at least 15% of total public expenditure (or 4–6% of GDP)" and both the US (~5%) and California (~4-5% of gdp) already pass that criteria.
          • rayiner 24 minutes ago
            The UNESCO target is calibrated for developing countries. Few developed countries spend that much on non-tertiary education: https://www.oecd.org/en/data/indicators/public-spending-on-e.... Canada spends about 3.3%, less than California.

            (I think your numbers include tertiary education. My numbers are K-12 only. I’m not sure which of those the UNESCO target is based on.)

          • _--__--__ 23 minutes ago
            The confusion/disconnect between those two benchmarks suggests something about the size of CA's public expenditure...
        • rayiner 27 minutes ago
          The UNESCO standard is meant for developing countries.

          In 2021, California spent about $121 billion on K-12, out of a GDP of $3.4 trillion, or about 3.5% of state GDP. That puts it above the OECD average of 3.3%, around the same as France at 3.5%. blob:https://www.oecd.org/702dcc03-0749-41b6-af41-112fd1af1bfb. (This is the parent page: https://www.oecd.org/en/data/indicators/public-spending-on-e.... You have to select non-tertiary education, which is basically what we call K-12.)

    • wiseowise 49 minutes ago
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  • pclowes 59 minutes ago
    This is wild. A mistake of this magnitude should result in several positions becoming vacant and many politicians being ineligible for any future offices.

    If a government can’t budget accurately everything else they do is likely even less competent. Every number and statistic they report should be treated with suspicion. Without clear data who is to say they are doing anything helpful at all?

    • dlcarrier 26 minutes ago
      The errors were all within the CalPERS pension fund. The pensions are guaranteed by the state, so the fund is notorious for a complete lack of fiduciary duty, and these types of errors track with the general quality of their operation.
      • wahern 11 minutes ago
        Alternatively, since we're spit balling, the administrators and/or accounting staff decided to strategically error on the side of a shortfall because its politically impossible to get the state to fully fund the pension obligations or to stop effectively raiding it.
      • anon291 7 minutes ago
        Recall that funds like this are one of the largest owners of the hedge funds that drive up property values for American homes via their reckless speculation. The state (well states really -- CA is not alone) desperately needs to make more than market returns to guarantee their unfunded pension liabilities.
      • mothballed 12 minutes ago
        How about fired for the mistake, but life imprisonment if it's intentionally hidden and not reported by the person who hid it (if you did hide it but reported it before anyone else noticed, back to something closer to a firing than life imprisonment, this provides a relief valve so people don't not report in fear they'll be convicted of hiding it).

        You still have strong incentive to reveal the mistake as soon as you find it, since hiding it is much worse.

    • pclowes 55 minutes ago
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      • tyre 45 minutes ago
        Or!

        People understand that everyone makes mistakes and firing anyone who does only leads to people prioritizing hiding their mistakes vs. fixing them.

        It’s helpful, whenever you find yourself saying something like, “the only real explanation to me”, to think of a good faith version before assuming that the most cynical take is reality.

  • hedgehog 36 minutes ago
    The article doesn't really explain the overall budget, for scale it looks like in the 2025-2026 budget year CA planned to spend about $228B compared to $216B revenue ($227B in the previous year).

    https://ebudget.ca.gov/2025-26/pdf/Enacted/BudgetSummary/Sum...

  • nxobject 1 hour ago
    If you want a vivid illustration (from an adjacent state) about the impact of pessimistic fiscal projections: Oregon has an infamous "kicker" law that refunds income taxes collected in excess of projections (plus a 2% margin). The state faces the same budgetary challenges as California... but can't project too pessimistically lest it leave money off the table.
    • jaggederest 56 minutes ago
      Oregon's kicker law is a textbook example of bad economic policy, sadly. It essentially means that in boom years the state can't accumulate any general funds for recessions, which is half of the point of a state-level political entity in the first place. Balanced budgets and pay as you go are fabulous over the medium term, but over the short term of a year or two during a disaster or recession, governmental spending is critical as a counterbalance to reduced investment and general employment income.
      • jerlam 44 minutes ago
        California is also required to refund taxpayers if it accumulates too much revenue. The state's spending is capped at some limit set in 1979 with adjustments for inflation and population.

        https://calbudgetcenter.org/resources/qa-why-hitting-gann-li...

      • Supermancho 15 minutes ago
        > Oregon's kicker law is a textbook example of bad economic policy, sadly

        You must be talking about non-economic textbooks, otherwise this makes no sense.

        • lotsofpulp 3 minutes ago
          The part that was left out was that Oregon has a biennial budget, so some Oregon employee predicts how much money Oregon will earn over the next 2 years (which is basically impossible to do), and then Oregon leaders have to come up with a spending plan equal to or less than that revenue estimate.

          However, Oregon's costs have no relation to the revenue that the state predicted it would get, so it is constrains the solution space when unforeseen costs or cost trends happen. For example, Oregon predicts x revenue, but gets 1.03x the predicted revenue, but that is because prices for everything went up 4%, now Oregon has less money than it needs to pay its expenses.

          Oregon is the only jurisdiction I have ever heard of with this kind of strict refund law, and its rigidity seems to be the main issue, along with the 2 year forecast requirement (since forecasting even 1 year is hard enough).

      • tantalor 39 minutes ago
        Well maybe they should "project" a certain amount of revenue that goes to savings every year automatically, instead of waiting for a boom year windfall.
  • jjtheblunt 17 minutes ago
    "Gov. Newsom in January projected the state would have to grapple with a $2.9 billion shortfall. The confirmed miscalculation means that shortfall could be much smaller."

    So, the title is just plain misleading.

    California is less in deficit than they earlier calculated.

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  • seiferteric 44 minutes ago
    Didn't something like this just happen last year (or year before) but in the opposite direction?
  • tyre 1 hour ago
    A little “bank error in your favor” sitchu. We love to see it.
  • cdrnsf 37 minutes ago
    Oops! They're still far easier to deal with than any federal agency.
  • whalesalad 41 minutes ago
    2 billion surplus? that's good for about 150 linear feet of high speed rail track in the middle of Salinas.
  • tonymet 30 minutes ago
    it’s less than 1% of the budget, and the state keeps overspending. Don’t get too optimistic
  • testfoobar 36 minutes ago
    Give it back?
  • boznz 48 minutes ago
    Another indicator that the administration hasn't got a fucking clue what or where their (your) money goes.
  • noobahoi 57 minutes ago
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  • mlmonkey 26 minutes ago
    > California's legislative leaders have known for months but did not make the issue public.

    Why would they give up a chance to make more money from the people? The government never misses an opportunity to pad its coffers. Reminds me of the CA State Parks department, which squirreled away millions of dollars and then was crying about lack of funding and hence wanted to shut down some parks.

    • xp84 17 minutes ago
      Fun fact: I recently vacationed in Hawaii and couldn’t help but notice, despite groceries costing about 2x, gas there is a dollar cheaper than at home in California. California just can’t get enough tax money.