Sad commentary on the modern world where my first thought was, well good for Orban to concede defeat. Not all current world heads of state have that much maturity.
This bodes well for the midterm state of the European union.
Pulling a Trump requires a polarized electorate where you are mostly going to have both parties in 48-52% range, with only real fights in few battleground states, and no absurd change in total vote %. Even Trump won't pull a Trump if other party was nearing 2/3rd majority. I am not even sure of what would happen to American politics if a party reaches 2/3rd majority in both houses, a list of long pending reforms might finally become possible.
From the perspective of a Canadian, this feels like an absolutely mad-cap crazy comment. What did you live through?
EDIT: with as little judgement as I'm sincerely trying to have, I would strongly recommend reviewing your information diet and neurotypical predispositions to investigate why you might believe this. (E.g. I am predisposed to support an underdog, and need to gutcheck myself on that regularly)
What I lived through, was Biden taking office. My information diet does not consist of American news, or any election coverage. All I am saying is that in the end, power transferred, without the use of force, he willingly gave up power. And I also acknowledged that he always disputed the results, which from a certain perspective makes his ultimate concession, more indicative of his respecting the system.
Sure. Just like Hitler offing himself; just an expression of trust in the system! "Oh no, I lost in the marketplace of ideas, time to make the ultimate concession!"
> I’ve never said that just because you’re invoking the Nazis you’re losing the argument. If you’re going to compare somebody to Hitler or the Nazis or raise the specter of the Holocaust, be sure you’ve got your facts right. But there’s nothing categorically wrong with Biden’s — or anyone else’s — comparison of Trump calling people vermin or talking about blood poisoning to Hitler.
Trump went because House/Senate Republicans at the time hadn't yet done the 180 they have since; the support wasn't there. It has nothing to do with his faith in the democratic process.
But in the end he went. The system worked exactly like it was supposed to. There is room to challenge results, that keeps the system honest. When he lost the challenges, he willingly stepped down.
This is exactly how the system is designed to work.
I understand the visceral hatred of Trump, but I don't know why every conversation about him has to degrade the same way this one has, with people using emotional-manipulation like evoking Hitler.
I vaguely recall a man giving a speech to a large group of people, urging Congress to not certify the election, and then those people storming the capitol, and then those people going to jail and being subsequently pardoned from jail from the guy who gave the speech.
Amazing news for EU! If Tisza can get supermajority after votes are counted then they can also easily reverse a lot of constitutional corruption in Hungary done by Orban.
Good. I visited Hungary years ago, and I loved the time I spent there. It saddened me a bit to see its sliding into autocracy and being relegated to be a Russian vassal state.
Hopefully the damage Orban caused to Hugarian institutions get reversed.
Unfortunatlely, half democracies (ie representative) are open to abuse and give too much power to presidents or governments. Combined with populism, lobbying and corruption, it allows people like Orban to stay in power for a long time. Glad it's over.
For both: I prefer to see it all rather than to assume it will be fine. Oh, and we still have Fico to deal with. But at least Hungarians have chosen against Orban that in itself gives some hope. Those leaked phone calls that were made public in the last weeks were very damning, I always assumed that such stuff was going on but to have hard proof is on another level.
I wonder what they're going to do with the participants. And what Orban's plans are now that he's in the opposition. I would not count him out just yet, he's got Putin's backing and you can bet they'll work overtime to try to destabilize Magyar's government. The rot goes pretty deep and it will take a lot of work to undo all that damage.
Yes, he basically have the same views, except on Russia. One advantage though is that Orban put his people at the head of Hungary corporations, so maybe that will end and the corruption will be kept at "normal" levels.
Yes, that's true. But there is enough about Magyar that I don't understand that I'm cautiously optimistic. Though it would be hard to imagine worse than Orban...
JD Vance strikes again. I wonder how long it will take US politicians and assorted billionaires to realize that their 'endorsements' will backfire.
"...will take US politicians and assorted billionaires to realize that their 'endorsements' will backfire..."
They may have to switch off their AI and start using their own brain - should they still have one, that is.
My guess is it's flagged by Americans (it's their daytime) who don't realize the significance of this result to the EU and potentially the EU's response to the war in Ukraine.
Probably flagged by MAGA and pro-Kremlin aligned accounts who dislike the results and uppercase Liberal limousine establishment Democrats who try to censor every view they don't already agree with. If these were normal times, the I'd say keep sex, religion, and politics private except not the latter when liberal democratic politicians, speech-debate, and journalism are/were under fire in many sectors and countries. I'm hoping with this result that Hungary will experience much greater press and personal freedom.. and the corruption will hopefully be exposed more widely similar to Caolan Robertson only hinting at some of the extravagant emoluments and embezzlement. https://youtu.be/HiayCdysN04
You know, I took a second look at it, and weirdly enough, I can't vouch it for some reason. That's odd. Grats to the good folks across the pond though! May we be so lucky when next our transition is scheduled!
I knew the projections were looking really grim for Orban after watching JD Vance putting Trump on speakerphone five days ago during his Hungary visit. That was awkward.
What? 4$ gas until November Mr.President? Who doesn’t love paying 30% more for Gas out of their pocket for a war that is already won. Tremendous work Mr. President. A capital V victory.
I have not read much about this issue, but I wonder if it is as serious as you are saying why are populations across Europe not voting against it, or they are voting but getting ignored by the rulers?
> or they are voting but getting ignored by the rulers?
That is what happened in at least:
- the Netherlands (votes for Wilders)
- Sweden (votes for SD)
- Germany (votes for AfD)
- France (votes for whatever that party is called nowadays)
- the UK (votes for Brexit largely based around migration issues)
- Belgium (votes for Vlaams Blok)
- Italy (votes for Meloni)
- Austria (votes for FPÖ)
...and I can go on. In most countries in Europe voters have spoken out against what they consider to be excessive asylum-based migration from non-Western cultures without requirements regarding assimilation or integration but not much has happened politically until very recently when the EU parliament voted to increase deportation efforts [1]. It remains to be seen whether this law will have any measurable impact given the fact that the EU actively supports many NGOs which aim to achieve the opposite of what the law states.
> My Administration stands ready to use the full Economic Might of the United States to strengthen Hungary’s Economy, as we have done for our Great Allies in the past, if Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and the Hungarian People ever need it. We are excited to invest in the future Prosperity that will be generated by Orbán’s continued Leadership! President DONALD J. TRUMP
edit: OP's post originally complained that this was Soros's fault.
Let's see Trump standing by his word and help strengthen Hungary's economy now that the Russian Stooge has lost. So much for that continued leadership.
This bodes well for the midterm state of the European union.
He claimed the 2020 election was stolen again yesterday.
EDIT: with as little judgement as I'm sincerely trying to have, I would strongly recommend reviewing your information diet and neurotypical predispositions to investigate why you might believe this. (E.g. I am predisposed to support an underdog, and need to gutcheck myself on that regularly)
https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/12/19/godwins-la...
> I’ve never said that just because you’re invoking the Nazis you’re losing the argument. If you’re going to compare somebody to Hitler or the Nazis or raise the specter of the Holocaust, be sure you’ve got your facts right. But there’s nothing categorically wrong with Biden’s — or anyone else’s — comparison of Trump calling people vermin or talking about blood poisoning to Hitler.
Trump went because House/Senate Republicans at the time hadn't yet done the 180 they have since; the support wasn't there. It has nothing to do with his faith in the democratic process.
But in the end he went. The system worked exactly like it was supposed to. There is room to challenge results, that keeps the system honest. When he lost the challenges, he willingly stepped down.
This is exactly how the system is designed to work.
I understand the visceral hatred of Trump, but I don't know why every conversation about him has to degrade the same way this one has, with people using emotional-manipulation like evoking Hitler.
Sure. Again, so did Hitler.
He went because the alternative was being dragged out by the FBI and Secret Service like a toddler having a tantrum.
> I don't know why every conversation about him has to degrade the same way this one has
Maybe if your self-described information diet included a little news and electoral coverage you wouldn't be so flat-footed by it.
ok...
Hopefully the damage Orban caused to Hugarian institutions get reversed.
Unfortunatlely, half democracies (ie representative) are open to abuse and give too much power to presidents or governments. Combined with populism, lobbying and corruption, it allows people like Orban to stay in power for a long time. Glad it's over.
For both: I prefer to see it all rather than to assume it will be fine. Oh, and we still have Fico to deal with. But at least Hungarians have chosen against Orban that in itself gives some hope. Those leaked phone calls that were made public in the last weeks were very damning, I always assumed that such stuff was going on but to have hard proof is on another level.
I wonder what they're going to do with the participants. And what Orban's plans are now that he's in the opposition. I would not count him out just yet, he's got Putin's backing and you can bet they'll work overtime to try to destabilize Magyar's government. The rot goes pretty deep and it will take a lot of work to undo all that damage.
JD Vance strikes again. I wonder how long it will take US politicians and assorted billionaires to realize that their 'endorsements' will backfire.
The 'vouch' option doesn't appear until/unless the post becomes [dead].
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GUoCvIMrgc
They must be really tired of winning by now.
What? 4$ gas until November Mr.President? Who doesn’t love paying 30% more for Gas out of their pocket for a war that is already won. Tremendous work Mr. President. A capital V victory.
You seem to want to drop that into conversations even though it is patent bullshit.
Thank you.
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47666504
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47521089
That is what happened in at least:
- the Netherlands (votes for Wilders)
- Sweden (votes for SD)
- Germany (votes for AfD)
- France (votes for whatever that party is called nowadays)
- the UK (votes for Brexit largely based around migration issues)
- Belgium (votes for Vlaams Blok)
- Italy (votes for Meloni)
- Austria (votes for FPÖ)
...and I can go on. In most countries in Europe voters have spoken out against what they consider to be excessive asylum-based migration from non-Western cultures without requirements regarding assimilation or integration but not much has happened politically until very recently when the EU parliament voted to increase deportation efforts [1]. It remains to be seen whether this law will have any measurable impact given the fact that the EU actively supports many NGOs which aim to achieve the opposite of what the law states.
[1] https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2026/03/26/eu-parliament-...
> My Administration stands ready to use the full Economic Might of the United States to strengthen Hungary’s Economy, as we have done for our Great Allies in the past, if Prime Minister Viktor Orbán and the Hungarian People ever need it. We are excited to invest in the future Prosperity that will be generated by Orbán’s continued Leadership! President DONALD J. TRUMP
edit: OP's post originally complained that this was Soros's fault.