16 comments

  • messe 2 hours ago
    > TCL test harness. C SQLite's test suite is driven by ~90,000+ lines of TCL scripts deeply intertwined with the C API. These cannot be meaningfully ported. Instead, FrankenSQLite uses native Rust #[test] modules, proptest for property-based testing, a conformance harness comparing SQL output against C SQLite golden files, and asupersync's lab reactor for deterministic concurrency tests.

    If you're not running against the SQLite test suite, then you haven't written a viable SQLite replacement.

    • manmal 1 hour ago
      I thought I read somewhere that their full test suite is not publicly available?
      • messe 1 hour ago
        The TH3 test suite is proprietary, but the TCL test suite that they refer to is public domain.

        I'm not sure where they get their 90k CLOC count though, that seems like it might be an LLM induced hallucination given the rest of the project. The public domain TCL test suite is ~27k CLOC, and the proprietary suite is 1055k CLOC.

    • gigatexal 43 minutes ago
      This and this needs Jepsen testing.

      The value of SQLite is how robust it is and that’s because of the rigorous test suite.

    • littlestymaar 1 hour ago
      Isn't that test suite private though?
      • messe 1 hour ago
        The TH3 test suite is proprietary, but the TCL test suite that they refer to is public domain.

        I'm not sure where they get their 90k CLOC count though, that seems like it might be an LLM induced hallucination given the rest of the project. The public domain TCL test suite is ~27k CLOC, and the proprietary suite is 1055k CLOC.

        • littlestymaar 18 minutes ago
          Thanks for the clarification, I appreciate it.

          > and the proprietary suite is 1055k CLOC.

          Why is the code size of the proprietary test suite even public though?

          • dzogchen 7 minutes ago
            You can buy access to it.

            Any serious SQLite re-implementation should buy it and test against it.

  • siliconc0w 1 hour ago
    If this wasn't ambitious enough, the author is also porting glibc to rust. As I understand it, all of it is agentic coded using custom harnesses.
    • messe 1 hour ago
      It doesn't read ambitious so much as naive.
      • nine_k 1 hour ago
        It entirely depends on how much the author reads the result of the agentic coding.
      • baq 1 hour ago
        It sounds scifi, but not naive anymore.
  • tekacs 2 hours ago
    It's worth scrolling down to the current implementation status part:

    https://github.com/Dicklesworthstone/frankensqlite#current-i...

    Although I will admit that even after reading it, I'm not exactly sure what the current implementation status is.

  • anon-3988 2 hours ago
    Clean room implementation yea sure buddy
    • vvern 2 hours ago
      Why does clean room even matter given SQLite is in the public domain?
      • kennethallen 2 hours ago
        And in every training corpus many times over.
    • cindyllm 2 hours ago
      [dead]
  • coppsilgold 58 minutes ago
    The author seems obsessed with RaptorQ[1], this is not a good place for it.

    RS over GF256 is more than adequate. Or just plain LDPC.

    [1] <https://www.jeffreyemanuel.com/writing/raptorq>

  • zmmmmm 47 minutes ago
    This kind of slop spewing into Github feels like the modern equivalent of toxic plumes coming from smoke stacks.

    Utterly unmaintainable by any human, likely never to be completed or used, but now deposited into the atmosphere for future trained AI models and humans alike to stumble across and ingest, degrading the environment for everyone around it.

    • Rapzid 15 minutes ago
      It's kinda like when the web first started taking off then there were WYSIWYGs. Everyone and their mom was creating static HTML websites.

      But nobody shows off static HTML sites on HN.

  • burakemir 2 hours ago
    Looks mildly interesting, but what's up with the license?

    MIT plus a condition that designates OpenAI and Anthropic as restricted parties that are not permitted to use or else?

    • nxobject 1 hour ago
      Good luck enforcing that. "Glad" to hear that Gemini's excluded.
      • nubg 16 minutes ago
        Where do you see issues enforcing license terms?
  • Jean-Papoulos 19 minutes ago
    We need to ban this kind of AI slop yesterday.
  • tosti 2 hours ago
    Says on top it's called monster but then it speaks of frankensql. Confusing website imho for a nice project
    • bigyabai 2 hours ago
      While I don't think the website is particularly well-designed, "monster" can be used as an adjective.
      • littlestymaar 1 hour ago
        There's a limit to what Claude can do without a competent human helping …
  • bpbp-mango 2 hours ago
    I was looking at this repo the other day. Time travel queries look really useful.

    Impressive piece of work from the AIs here.

  • skppy 48 minutes ago
    Even though it looks like LLM slop, we are starting to see big projects being translated/refactored with LLMs. It reminds me of the 2023 AI video era. If the pattern follows, we will start to see way fewer errors until it is economically viable.
  • DeathArrow 2 hours ago
    Was it vibe coded?
    • kennethallen 2 hours ago
      Extremely. Repo is littered with one-off Python scripts, among many other indicators.
    • baq 1 hour ago
      Nobody in their right mind would sponsor this project to be hand written.
    • littlestymaar 1 hour ago
      Of course it was.
  • Jooror 2 hours ago
    Is the implementation untouched by generative AI? Seems a bit ignorant/dishonest to claim “clean-room” in such a case
    • messe 2 hours ago
      AGENTS.md and COMPREHENSIVE_SPEC_FOR_FRANKENSQLITE_V1_CODEX.md in the root folder, and ugly AI slop image on the home page and README.

      A better question is if the implementation was touched by anything other than generative AI.

  • DetroitThrow 2 hours ago
    Love the "race" demo on the site, but very curious about how you approached building this. Appreciated the markdown docs for the insight on the prompt, spec, etc
  • up2isomorphism 30 minutes ago
    Yeah, “rewrite in rust” strikes again, this time equipped with a AI slop generator.
  • measurablefunc 1 hour ago
    If you can't tell this is LLM slop then I don't really know what to tell you. What gave it away for me was the RaptorQ nonsense & conformance w/ standard sqlite file format. If you actually read the code you'll notice all sorts of half complete implementations of whatever is promised in the marketing materials: https://github.com/Taufiqkemall2/frankensqlite/blob/main/cra...
    • baq 1 hour ago
      If you bothered to do any research at all you’d know the author as an extreme, frontier, avant-garde, eccentric LLM user and I say it as an LLM enthusiast.
      • measurablefunc 1 hour ago
        Thanks. Next time I'll do more research on what counts for LLM code artwork before commenting on an incomplete implementation w/ all sorts of logically inconsistent requirements. All I can really do at this point is humbly ask for your & their avant-garde forgiveness b/c I won't make the same mistake again & that's a real promise you can take to the crypto bank.
        • baq 1 hour ago
          Great! But note I haven’t said that you should be doing the research. This was more of a warning about today, but it also was a different kind of warning about the next 12-18 months once models catch up to what this guy wants to do with them.
          • measurablefunc 53 minutes ago
            Thank you for your wisdom. I'll make a note & make sure to follow up on this later b/c you obviously know much more about the future than a humble plebeian like myself.