Times New American: A Tale of Two Fonts

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60 points | by firexcy 2 hours ago

10 comments

  • tolerance 22 minutes ago
    This was a terrific, reasonable take on this “controversy”. I have to admit that the correspondence set in Calibri looks like something dispatched from a leasing office. Imagine reading the Warren Commission report set in that. The author seems to settle on the consensus that surrounded TNR before this exchange made the news. It’s banal. At times it signals to its original objectives (e.g., Prof. Dr. style websites [1]). But still banal more often than not.

    I love Univers. But I don’t think there’s anyone in public office with enough influence and swagger to ever enforce it. At the same time I have a bad feeling about the attention that decisions like this draw and what it may lead to. The article does a great job at portraying the general incompetence in both parties.

    I can imagine Beto O’Rourke somewhere dreaming about styling all government communiqués like a page out of Ray Gun. Planning his come back. To set anything issued from Ted Cruz’s office in Zapf Dingbats. War.

    [1]: https://contemporary-home-computing.org/prof-dr-style/

    • jamesliudotcc 1 minute ago
      The Warren Commission report was set in Century Schoolbook, the Supreme Court's typeface of choice. The appendices are photo reproductions of originals produced on typewriters, so they are in something monospaced.

      You can see for yourself. They certainly would not have used Times New Roman.

      But I suppose interoffice memoranda are meant to be skimmed, not read, so TNR or Calibri are both fine.

    • wavefunction 18 minutes ago
      I suppose the administration's typo-ridden nonsense formatted with a serif-font MIGHT appear more professional. It's certainly possible, not impossible.
  • LucasFonts 2 minutes ago
    Our studio, LucasFonts, designed Calibri. Here are our CEO Luc(as) de Groot’s thoughts on the matter:

    Back to bad...

    Deciding to ditch Calibri as a ‘wasteful diversity’ font is both hilarious and sad. I designed Calibri to make reading on modern computer screens easier, and in 2006 Microsoft chose it to replace Times New Roman as the default font in the Office suite. Microsoft moved away from Times for good reasons. Calibri performs exceptionally well at small sizes and on standard office monitors, whereas serif fonts like Times New Roman create more visual disturbance. Although serif fonts work well on high-resolution displays, such as those found on modern smartphones, the serifs can introduce unnecessary visual noise on typical office screens and be particularly problematic for users with impaired vision, such as older adults.

    Professional typography can be achieved with serif or sans serif fonts. However, that is not very easy with Times New Roman, a typeface older than the current president. Originally crafted in Great Britain for newspaper printing, Times was optimised for paper, with each letterform meticulously cut and tested for specific sizes. In the digital era, larger-size drawings were repurposed as models, resulting in a typeface that appears too thin and sharp when printed at a high quality.

    Depending on the situation, fonts with serifs are often considered more classic, but they take more work to get right. While a skilled typographer can produce excellent results with Times New Roman, using the digital default version is not considered professional practice. This font only offers two weights, Regular and Bold, and the Bold version has a very different design that does not fit well. There are many better serif typefaces available. The digital version of Times New Roman, developed in the early days of computing, includes only minimal adjustments to letter pairs. This is particularly noticeable in all-capital words such as ‘CHICAGO’, where the spacing is inconsistent: the letters ‘HIC’ are tightly packed, while ‘CAG’ are spaced too far apart. By contrast, Calibri incorporates extensive spacing adjustments and language-specific refinements.

    This decision takes the administration back to the past and back to bad.

    (Microsoft could not rectify spacing issues in Times New Roman without altering the appearance of existing documents.)

  • magnio 1 hour ago
    Shouldn't public documents by the government use a free and libre font? In fact, the mentioned Public Sans developed by the US federal government seems to be a great option, as it actually distinguishes the lowercase l and the uppercase I, something that, ironically, all suggested sans-serif alternatives fail to do.
    • gumby271 28 minutes ago
      You would hope, but changing this font isn't about making anything better, it's that Calibre was apparently a DEI font and had to go. I can't imagine these people thinking highly of an open source (Oooh communism) font that's also designed with accessibility in mind.
  • rchowe 1 hour ago
    Using either Calibri or Times New Roman makes it look like you did not put any thought into your brand and chose the default in Microsoft Word. The State department probably has certain constraints (i.e. they likely have to choose one of the fonts that ships with Microsoft Word, and possibly a subset of that that also ships on macOS), but they could definitely choose better than the default.

    I find the narrow serif typefaces such as Century Schoolbook a bit harder to read than ones with more normal spacing, and I think the US government should optimize for legibility and accessibility over style in routine communications. Palatino or Garamond would probably be my choices.

    • jamesliudotcc 1 minute ago
      The worst is Times New Roman text with Calibri page numbers. A sure sign somebody never learned how to use Microsoft Word.
    • xattt 1 hour ago
      It’s the US government, and it could easily develop their own Liberty- or Freedom-type if the current administration wanted to leave their own mark.
  • symbogra 1 hour ago
    Wow, the sample shows that 15 point Calibri on official government documents was truly awful. In software when we make a mistake that causes some production issue the best first action is almost always to roll back. Maybe 14 pt TNR isn't the best, but rolling back to it is a defensible decision.
  • imnotlost 1 hour ago
    The correct typeface for the current U.S. administration would of course be Comic Sans or perhaps Comic Serif for double-super-serious documents.
    • mlfreeman 1 hour ago
      And Wingdings for classified material!
      • s20n 1 hour ago
        Of course, just as the highlight tool is used for redaction, wingdings is used for encryption!
        • silon42 18 minutes ago
          Not Cyrillic?
    • Suzuran 1 hour ago
      Fraktur.
      • Y_Y 1 hour ago
        > Martin Bormann issued a circular (the "normal type decree") to all public offices which declared Fraktur (and its corollary, the Sütterlin-based handwriting) to be Judenlettern (Jewish letters) and prohibited their further use.

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fraktur

        I don't know if you meant to invoke pro/anti-Nazi associations with this typeface but it's unfortunate that such a fantastic lettering style carries around a poisonous historical connotation.

        • throwaway173738 45 minutes ago
          Why is that poisonous? It sounds like Fraktur was rejected by Nazi Germany which isn’t a bad thing at all.
          • Y_Y 15 minutes ago
            Do you know anything about the Nazis, other than that they are bad?

            They used Fraktur extensively before 1941 and it's closely associated with Nazi imagery. This is all explained in that link I posted.

            I prefer to think of Lie groups, but it's rife in the Nazi propaganda of the 30s, official documents etc.

      • andybak 1 hour ago
        :-/
      • tempodox 1 hour ago
        Fraktur would be apt as the oldest existing typeface. This administration and its supporters are so backward, it makes the 1600s look like mega-liberal ultra-modern science fiction. I’m just waiting for an executive order reintroducing cuneiform.
    • johannes1234321 1 hour ago
      No, Comic sans is too woke.

      In seriousness: Comic Sans seems to be a good font for dyslexic people and helps them read.

      https://dyslexichelp.org/why-is-comic-sans-good-for-dyslexia...

  • coffeefirst 24 minutes ago
    Well, the correct traditional font for State should really be Courier, because “Real America” used typewriters for all correspondence.
  • alex_suzuki 55 minutes ago
    At some point in the past I read that serif fonts are better for readability, as the supports at the base of the letters form a line and help the eye stay “on track”. This is never mentioned in TFA, so I assume it’s an urban legend? Personally I much prefer serif fonts when reading longer texts.
    • phantom784 54 minutes ago
      I was once taught that serif fonts are better in print, and sans-serif is better on a screen.
      • skywhopper 45 minutes ago
        This was definitely true in the days before hi-res screens and good anti-aliasing, simply because the serifs get lost or become noise in lower-resolution settings. It’s probably less true today.

        Of course, in terms of accessibility, there are any number of reasons why someone might prefer to read content in any number of typefaces. Certain typefaces are better for folks with dyslexia. Others may be better for certain folks with ADHD. People with low vision may just prefer a larger typeface.

        We have these amazing machines we’ve invented that can display the same text in any number of different ways. At this point, it seems ridiculous to need to mandate a specific typeface for electronic usage. Sure, pick a well-regarded default, but if we want to mandate something, it should be that software provides tools to allow users to adjust textual elements of documents they are reading to suit their own needs.

  • swed420 47 minutes ago
    "Healthcare pls"

    edit for the silent downvoters:

    The article was good for the topic at hand. My comment applies to the existence of the debate itself in the context of a failing first world country.

  • TomMasz 14 minutes ago
    Sadly, all that matters is it's free of any "DEI" connotations.