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  • yndoendo 32 minutes ago
    US actually provided child care to mothers employed during WWII. [0]

    Richard Nixon vetoed the bill that would have expanded it out to all families. [1]

    Funny how we keep forgetting the past and reject what benefited us as a whole with a moved to pure individualism built around selfishness. AKA The rich keep getting richer.

    [0] https://www.wwiimemorialfriends.org/blog/the-lanham-act-and-...

    [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Child_Developmen...

    • SoftTalker 21 minutes ago
      It was done so mothers could work building tanks and airplanes, not out of any concern for the children.
      • tock 16 minutes ago
        Then do it today so mothers can continue to work and help the economy.
        • jagged-chisel 10 minutes ago
          They would need to be building tanks and airplanes.
      • roughly 15 minutes ago
        Yeah, it turns out that things like free health care, adequate food, good schools, and all that other socialist mumbo jumbo is actually good for productivity and the economy, too.
        • andy99 0 minutes ago
          Have you seen comparisons between American and Canadian productivity? It’s definitely more complicated than just socialist leaning government programs make the country more productive.
        • macintux 6 minutes ago
          I wonder how many people would start businesses if we had UBI and free health care as a safety net.
        • bequanna 5 minutes ago
          Totally agree.

          However, this only works in a high trust society, which we no longer have.

          • balamatom 3 minutes ago
            While in a low trust society, which you obviously already have, people are most productive when they're at perpetual risk of starvation.
    • anon191928 29 minutes ago
      it's because people dont operate with facts and truth. they just want lies instead, sad reality
    • add-sub-mul-div 21 minutes ago
      Our politicians are unpopular because they do nothing to help us, and when they explicitly help us it's framed as lazy poor people looking for handouts. It makes no sense.
      • macintux 4 minutes ago
        Don't forget the "1% of the recipients are fraudulent, therefore the other 99% must spend 10 hours on paperwork and 6 months waiting for the benefits to start, with a 30% chance of rejection" approach.
      • watwut 4 minutes ago
        Maybe people should stop voting for the party that does that then. And for politicians that do that then.
        • macintux 2 minutes ago
          It turns out that the promise to hurt other people more is a winning strategy.
      • ryandrake 16 minutes ago
        Don't forget: When they help billionaires and trillion dollar business, it's framed as driving prosperity and stimulating the economy.
    • softwaredoug 27 minutes ago
      The US will kick into gear at certain emergency times (WW2, Covid, etc) but not so great outside of then.
      • ryandrake 26 minutes ago
        I don't see how the US's feeble and lackluster response to COVID counted as "kicking into gear".
  • sudosteph 19 minutes ago
    Can't read the whole article, but am curious about how it will impact unlicensed childcare operations. I imagine that the number of parents using these is much higher than many people realize. Will be interesting to see how many parents end up using the state program.
  • thelastgallon 7 minutes ago
    What if a federal law is passed to make this illegal?
    • toomuchtodo 2 minutes ago
      Ignore the law and tie it up in court until regime change? Something is only real or of concern if there are consequences.
  • tock 12 minutes ago
    Call it a childcare bailout instead of "free". Society will accept it then.
  • gfiorav 15 minutes ago
    This is one of my pet peeves. If you believe in the welfare state concept, you should never refer to anything that’s subsidized as “free.” It’s a recipe for disaster. As a European who was uprooted and settled in the US, I’ve become painfully aware of how little we Europeans comprehend the workings of the economy. I believe this is partly due to the propaganda surrounding the welfare state as “free.”

    Of course, nothing is truly “free.” It comes at a significant cost that must be carefully understood and balanced for the future. It hinders market dynamism and credit flow, which can easily stifle innovation over time. Calling it “free” is a mere emotional appeal, not a rational justification for its long-term sustainability. It’s no wonder that business in Europe, despite being more regulated and restrained than any other part of the world, is so vilified by the youth. We must stop conflating prosperity with corporate misgivings if we are to progress at all.

    • watwut 2 minutes ago
      Looking at USA right now, I just do not see how is that superior.
  • diogenescynic 32 minutes ago
    Medicare should cover children. Then we'd be covering children and the elderly. I think that seems fair--children deserve healthcare (just like education) as a fundamental right. It shouldn't be dependent on their parents.
    • 999900000999 23 minutes ago
      It should cover everyone.

      No body goes to the doctor because they want to.

      I'll dare say it would be a net positive to even expand this to the undocumented.

      Many of them have dependents, it's not going to be great if your dad can't afford his insulin and is thus unable to work to provide for you.

      This includes a large percentage of our farm workers who are literally getting sprayed with pesticides all day. That's another issue, but when they get sick they more than deserve treatment.

      And finally, the vast majority of illnesses can be treated cheaply if irregularly do your checkups. It can cost society $200 today for a doctor visit , or 30k for an ER stay in 3 years.

      That said, I think this should be handled on a state by state basis. If the people of Alabama don't believe in single-payer healthcare, or they want to forbid using single pair healthcare for contraceptive or something, that shouldn't stop a progressive state from implementing it.

      • BobbyTables2 0 minutes ago
        Expanding to undocumented providers is probably ripe for abuse. Although perhaps abusable either way.

        What stops someone from saying “I’m an undocumented provider with 500 kids. Pay me 500 x AMOUNT”.

        Public schools have residence and identity requirements. What’s an undocumented childcare provider going to have?

      • diogenescynic 16 minutes ago
        I wholeheartedly agree, but I don't think the national politics would support that at the moment. I think we have to start somewhere that isn't controversial like extending coverage to kids. I don't think anyone is going to be against covering 8 and 9 year olds... but they might against 18 or 19 year olds. It's a foot in the door persuasion tactic rather than try to get everything all at once.
        • ryandrake 11 minutes ago
          > I think we have to start somewhere that isn't controversial like extending coverage to kids. I don't think anyone is going to be against covering 8 and 9 year olds...

          Not sure what gives you this idea. The major political party in power in the US today campaigned in large part on cruelty and removing subsidies and social benefits from people. There are a huge number of people who would bitterly fight against providing health care to children. It's the same mentality that bitterly fights against free school lunch for children.

    • ghaff 27 minutes ago
      Be aware that Medicare is a long way from free. At least if you've had a well-paying job in the past few years, Medicare premiums are pretty similar to exchange costs (or COBRA).
      • diogenescynic 18 minutes ago
        Health insurance isn't free either and it's way more expensive than Medicare. We're all also already paying for Medicare...
  • chaostheory 28 minutes ago
    Given the negative world wide trend with birthrates, this should be a priority with every developed country even if it eventually comes at the expense of elderly socialized healthcare.
    • seneca 0 minutes ago
      We would be even better off subsidizing parents staying home with their own children. Unfortunately most subsidies have proven ineffective at nudging up birth rates.
  • HarryHirsch 44 minutes ago
    It's not an unmitigated positive, instead it's a transparent move to paper over the high cost of housing by getting both parents to work. Of course housing prices will adjust accordingly, the supply remains the same, and the demand side has more money to spend.
    • kiba 41 minutes ago
      Land price will adjust accordingly in response to any positive economic news. If you want an unalloy good to come out of these programs, tax lands.

      Otherwise, any welfare program will just get some of its value captured by landlords.

      • SoftTalker 24 minutes ago
        Land value tax won't help unless you greatly reduce the zoning and regulation over what can be built on the land.

        Putting the land to its most efficient use isn't possible if all you're allowed to build is a two-story detached single family house.

        • ecshafer 14 minutes ago
          Georgism is the way to prosperity.
      • blfr 30 minutes ago
        Land value tax is interesting because it encourages/forces more efficient use but you can do a lot more by cutting demand through limiting immigration and financialization opportunities.
        • Avicebron 22 minutes ago
          I'm not sure why people don't immediately get serfdom vibes whenever they mention a land tax.
    • ransom1538 38 minutes ago
      Exactly. Now landlords will charge more. The owner of assets get all the money.
      • ryandrake 27 minutes ago
        By your and OP's logic, nothing should be done to subsidize anything or make people's lives more affordable because the excess will be sucked up by landlords. On the flip side, if we did things to make people's lives less affordable, would that translate into landlords giving back by lowering rents? I don't think so.
  • trashface 21 minutes ago
    Well, crossing new mexico off my list of possible retirement states lol
  • seneca 28 minutes ago
    The use of the word "free" always reveals the bias of the outlet in these articles. This should read "tax-payer funded child care".
    • analog31 21 minutes ago
      If a tavern puts out a sign saying "free beer," nobody needs to point out that someone is paying for the beer. There's no confusion about this.
      • johnisgood 18 minutes ago
        I think there is a lot of confusion about it. You overestimate people. :P I wish it was a case of me underestimating people, but after the things I saw...
      • seneca 6 minutes ago
        A tavern isn't funded by taxes. They're giving away their own money. A government doesn't have its own money, it is giving away tax payer money.
    • ollysb 27 minutes ago
      Free at the point of use is how it's usually expressed.
      • seneca 25 minutes ago
        Sure, but that hides most of the facts about how it works. There are a lot of parties involved in this, including people paying for it and being paid for it, and those paying probably out number those getting it for free at point of use. Sweeping that under the rug is just a sales ploy, which shows what the outlet wants you to believe about this program.
        • benregenspan 4 minutes ago
          I wouldn't call using the most commonly accepted (and concise) terminology a "sales ploy". If you want every service to be accompanied by a wordy explanation of how it works, then every article would need to mention that the current status quo involves complicated taxpayer subsidy in the form of dependent care FSA accounts and a host of state-level programs.
        • justin66 18 minutes ago
          That taxpayers pay for government programs isn't the big revelation you seem to believe it is.
        • n4r9 18 minutes ago
          What else could it mean for a state-provided service to be "free"?
        • plorg 14 minutes ago
          Might as well complain about how we get free roads and fire services.
          • SV_BubbleTime 10 minutes ago
            No one has accused roads and fire services of being free.
            • benregenspan 0 minutes ago
              This is a good example, because a "freeway" is free at point of use, but obviously understood to not be free of construction and maintenance cost. It is called "freeway" because "free-to-drive-on highway" would be too wordy.
        • jeromegv 16 minutes ago
          Do you ever stop to wonder how you became someone that is opposed to free childcare?
    • xg15 22 minutes ago
      If the tax payer was Apple, I wouldn't mind.
  • bilsbie 13 minutes ago
    If it’s free then you’re the product …
    • jeffbee 11 minutes ago
      Really? You're the product of, say, your local fire department?
      • petcat 3 minutes ago
        Local fire department isn't free