Been thinking about this lately and ultimately, I'm thinking that -- taking into account what we know about "federation" -- both the Nostr and ATProto models are generally pointless because they attack a problem with more complicated tech that must be solved with OR without that tech anyway.
Someone said it really well; if your solution relies on "maybe people will learn about or do new complex thing X" it's just not likely to take off.
But for the sake of argument, let's try going down that road for this. Along the way you'll be communicating with people, building trust, etc etc.
But now YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THE THING YOU'RE trying to optimize for, and for which we already have an extremely resilient model, aka Mastodon-which-is-very-analogous-to-email. At that point, just make a mastodon server or servers with with those people.
It just feels like the smart bet is doing that analogously to email, a model that definitely works, then trying to do the same thing PLUS invent a whole new idea of "take everything with you" at the user level.
I'm not sure I would necessarily draw that conclusion.
If the author intentionally deactivated their Bluesky account, does the fact that he can successfully do that on Bluesky lead to the conclusion that it's less resilient?
I think you've nailed a problem with all of these, they would make "deleting your stuff" HARDER. What's stopping the rogue node from saving all your stuff forever?
I think "trying to make a thing that can work through rogue or stupid nodes" is just prohibitively harder than "work on making nodes more reliable" (which I absolutely grant is extremely hard.)
The comment makes so little sense that it could only be intended as a dumb gotcha from someone who thinks they're fighting in some sort of culture war about the Twitter succession. Ignoring is better than encouraging.
Someone said it really well; if your solution relies on "maybe people will learn about or do new complex thing X" it's just not likely to take off.
But for the sake of argument, let's try going down that road for this. Along the way you'll be communicating with people, building trust, etc etc.
But now YOU'VE ALREADY DONE THE THING YOU'RE trying to optimize for, and for which we already have an extremely resilient model, aka Mastodon-which-is-very-analogous-to-email. At that point, just make a mastodon server or servers with with those people.
It just feels like the smart bet is doing that analogously to email, a model that definitely works, then trying to do the same thing PLUS invent a whole new idea of "take everything with you" at the user level.
https://bsky.app/profile/shreyanjain.net
Quite telling between centralized vs decentralized environments. NOSTR is indeed more resilient.
If the author intentionally deactivated their Bluesky account, does the fact that he can successfully do that on Bluesky lead to the conclusion that it's less resilient?
I think "trying to make a thing that can work through rogue or stupid nodes" is just prohibitively harder than "work on making nodes more reliable" (which I absolutely grant is extremely hard.)