I expect even more censorship on this site for the next few years (especially criticism) as even the mods and higher ups are kneeling down on this administration just a few hours into it.
WWII, sure. Cold War, fat chance - the USSR was defeated by the mujahideen and then succeeded by Yeltsin and a bald ape that killed 800,000 trained men to take 1/3rd of Ukraine.
Peace in Ukraine isn't contingent on US support. Their allegiance with America is one of the last things stopping them from attacking Russia's crude oil fleets and sending Russia's economic backbone into a suicide spiral: https://oec.world/profile/country/rus#yearly-trade
Truly, Donald Trump could decide tomorrow to refuse audience with Zelenskyy and only meet with Putin. Russia's treasury would be hemorrhaging within a week and the government would be paralyzed in the middle of an active invasion. That would be dangerous for America and NATO allies, but what does that concern a non-member like Ukraine after all?
Russia has spent 30 years on life support. America and Ukraine simply disagree on how we pull the plug.
The Soviets got a lot of aid from the West, and if it were not for Normandy and opening a new front against Nazi Germany in France, the Soviets might not have had the outcome they did.
As an aside, this YT channel has the best series I've seen on WW2. They go through the war, week by week, telling all that happened that week. There are several mini-series like Crimes Against Humanity and Spies and Ties. The production quality is really good too
So lock the comments. This is important. It's the most powerful man on earth doing the nazi salute on stage at the US president's inauguration party. He is the owner of several tech companies this is HN bread and butter. How on earth is this flagged
I expect even more censorship on this site for the next few years (especially criticism) as even the mods and higher ups are kneeling down on this administration just a few hours into it.
The selective enforcement is what fucked over moderation on this site. Somehow Ukraine is considered an apolitical topic but Gaza isn't. Posts about North Korean troops and Russian losses are okayed because that's a boogeyman our progressive world despises. But then we upvote posts about war crimes in Gaza and illegal border expansion in the Golan Heights and the standard flip-flops again. You've crossed an invisible line, it doesn't matter how civil you were.
It has to be all or nothing. There is no apolitical discussion of modern technology, and this Trump/Musk ticket is going to show everything that's wrong with embracing such a fickle guideline. The worst part is, it's only going to contribute to HN's decline in civil digression and make perfectly intelligent people question why they use this site in the first place. We need this sort of discussion, otherwise people become complacent and tone-deaf like Elon.
Nonsense. Elon is a hebrew name and occurs in the old testament (Book of Judges).
You would have known that your statement was brainrot logic had you read the article you linked, especially the section about the claim:
> Interest in this novel increased in 2021 when people connected Elon, the Martian leader, to SpaceX founder, Elon Musk, suggesting that von Braun may have predicted Musk's space exploration ventures.
Just to be clear, there's one main mod (dang) and they don't flag submissions, that honour falls to regular users who've been here a year or three or more (whatever the time | point threshold is).
Most of the users that can [flag] also have the option to [vouch]. If enough vouch the flag is reveresed (as far as I know).
You can vouch for posts, but only once they're [dead]. [flagged] is not [dead] on its own, and so nothing can be done by users yet (other than maybe reaching out to the mod). If it acquires enough flags to become [dead], then those of us with enough karma could vouch for it.
Note that the same thing is true for comments. Occasionally, but not often, you'll find a [flagged] comment that isn't [dead], you can't vouch for those either. Only once they become [dead] can they be vouched for.
I have vouched for posts .. but it doesn't always appear as an option ...
Addendum1: I haven't compiled a detailed cross referenced list of observations about HN .. but it's got a lot of little subtle quirks from custom coding .. I suspect there's a window for submission vouching that's only open to users with certain other privlege escalations, or perhaps a stochastic element throws that chance to a random few .. eg: I have no option to vouch for this flagged submission, but I have had that option on others.
Addendum2: Jtsummers may well be right. There may also still be other odd little factors <shrug>.
He has been laying the groundwork to frame his relationship with Trump as something other than genuine for a while. His 'dark maga' will be framed as him dark knighting his causes, this salute will be framed as trolling etc etc.
The linked "back to back" video in the article has been removed. Someone posted a youtube in the other flagged HN entry: https://youtube.com/watch?v=joV-9FFoA3Q
At first I figured the video would show him making some vague imitation people were overreacting to but no, full on mind blowing salute.
This forum is too soft and not at all helping with the flow of information that, 6 hours into this administration, has already become evidently crucial to have for the next 4 years. Why is this flagged? Accurate title, accompanying video with clear-cut evidence, an open spirit of discussion - what are we doing here?
I expect even more censorship on this site for the next few years (especially criticism) as even the mods and higher ups are kneeling down on this administration just a few hours into it.
"shooting out his right arm on an upwards diagonal, fingers together and palm facing down." That would be the definition of a Nazi salute. No waving involved.
Nice try. Maybe one who needs to read history is you because this was not Roman salute.
"The Roman salute, also known as the Fascist salute, is a gesture in which the right arm is fully extended, facing forward, with palm down and fingers touching. In some versions, the arm is raised upward at an angle; in others, it is held out parallel to the ground. In contemporary times, the former is commonly considered a symbol of fascism that had been based on a custom popularly attributed to ancient Rome.[1] However, no Roman text gives this description, and the Roman works of art that display salutational gestures bear little resemblance to the modern so-called "Roman" salute."
It's as much "Roman Salute" as Julius Caesar used to eat lettuce with croutons for a meal.
(mirror: https://files.catbox.moe/icky5m.mp4 )
I expect even more censorship on this site for the next few years (especially criticism) as even the mods and higher ups are kneeling down on this administration just a few hours into it.
Not a good look.
Truly, Donald Trump could decide tomorrow to refuse audience with Zelenskyy and only meet with Putin. Russia's treasury would be hemorrhaging within a week and the government would be paralyzed in the middle of an active invasion. That would be dangerous for America and NATO allies, but what does that concern a non-member like Ukraine after all?
Russia has spent 30 years on life support. America and Ukraine simply disagree on how we pull the plug.
As for the nukes, pretty much exactly what the Nazis would have done if they had gotten some.
As an aside, this YT channel has the best series I've seen on WW2. They go through the war, week by week, telling all that happened that week. There are several mini-series like Crimes Against Humanity and Spies and Ties. The production quality is really good too
https://www.youtube.com/@WorldWarTwo
They are doing one on the Korean War right now
I expect even more censorship on this site for the next few years (especially criticism) as even the mods and higher ups are kneeling down on this administration just a few hours into it.
It has to be all or nothing. There is no apolitical discussion of modern technology, and this Trump/Musk ticket is going to show everything that's wrong with embracing such a fickle guideline. The worst part is, it's only going to contribute to HN's decline in civil digression and make perfectly intelligent people question why they use this site in the first place. We need this sort of discussion, otherwise people become complacent and tone-deaf like Elon.
Written by a former nazi paperclip scientist
You would have known that your statement was brainrot logic had you read the article you linked, especially the section about the claim:
> Interest in this novel increased in 2021 when people connected Elon, the Martian leader, to SpaceX founder, Elon Musk, suggesting that von Braun may have predicted Musk's space exploration ventures.
Someone posts Paul Graham's post talking about "woke" ideology and mods/admins do nothing about it
While this one stays flagged
At least be consistent
Musk and PG are both heroes in the startup / tech / VC world.
For better or worse, it's hardly surprising that this forum is very supportive of them.
Most of the users that can [flag] also have the option to [vouch]. If enough vouch the flag is reveresed (as far as I know).
Note that the same thing is true for comments. Occasionally, but not often, you'll find a [flagged] comment that isn't [dead], you can't vouch for those either. Only once they become [dead] can they be vouched for.
Addendum1: I haven't compiled a detailed cross referenced list of observations about HN .. but it's got a lot of little subtle quirks from custom coding .. I suspect there's a window for submission vouching that's only open to users with certain other privlege escalations, or perhaps a stochastic element throws that chance to a random few .. eg: I have no option to vouch for this flagged submission, but I have had that option on others.
Addendum2: Jtsummers may well be right. There may also still be other odd little factors <shrug>.
At first I figured the video would show him making some vague imitation people were overreacting to but no, full on mind blowing salute.
can't discuss shit on HN
Not a good look at all.
Once you've learned to count backwards to zero
"In German, und Englisch, I know how to count down
Und I'm learning Chinese!" says Wernher von Braun
Either he is the most ignorant, idiot who bought himself an election through his own propaganda platform and that was a 'normal' TX.
Or he had a very fucked up mental moment doing a Nazi salute.
Feel free to choose what you prefer though
"The Roman salute, also known as the Fascist salute, is a gesture in which the right arm is fully extended, facing forward, with palm down and fingers touching. In some versions, the arm is raised upward at an angle; in others, it is held out parallel to the ground. In contemporary times, the former is commonly considered a symbol of fascism that had been based on a custom popularly attributed to ancient Rome.[1] However, no Roman text gives this description, and the Roman works of art that display salutational gestures bear little resemblance to the modern so-called "Roman" salute."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_salute