I guess the paradox of killing them all so quickly is it's unlikely the signal of poor quality propagates widely
first time I saw it was today and I thought it looked cool.
I think name and shame, street parade the criminal would be a good moderation idea. don't just highlight the best, highlight the worst. it helps reinforce standards
never seen a forum do that tho. it's always about the most liked
Those fast compiles, fast speed, plus the feature list (standard generics and hot code reloading) make this look insanely cool! What's the secret sauce? The translation from C and compile being 25x faster than just compiling C seems nearly impossible.
Edit: sibling comment points out it may seem amazingly cool and nearly impossible because it does not, in fact, exist. How can we learn more about the feasibility of this living up to their claims?
On a more serious note, compilers and programming languages take years to get into a usable state, and V very much in early stages of development, pre-pre-pre-alpha or similar quality. It is far from usable for any serious work at all. All the listed features are "planned features", many of which are not yet implementd or buggy. In other words, as development progresses, the author of V will realize that it is not easy to design/implement those features properly, otherwise every language would have that.
This has been discussed on HN several times before, and as far as I can tell most of the claims have been too good to be true. For a bit more nuanced review, Christine Dodrill has written posts on the topic, with this being the latest: https://christine.website/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-0...
> The translation from C and compile being 25x faster than just compiling C seems nearly impossible.
It's easy to make a language that compiles faster than C. First get rid of the C preprocessor, and fix the syntax so it is easier to parse (e.g. `name: Type` rather than `Type name`). You can go even further and make it possible to parse each line independently (I think Zig does this?).
Second use a simple modern code generator that doesn't do much optimisation.
This is a language in development, which already has code available, compiles, has programs and libs written in it, etc. One could say varpourware back in spring when V was first posted but the repo was closed etc. Not anymore.
But you could say that it overpromises and underdelivers...
This is like complaining about a painting that is not finished yet.
The project clearly states that some features are a work in progress (wip)[0]. What happens when this project achieves all those goals? That blog post will become irrelevant.
If this is 'vaporware' why is it open source? We should be happy that this project is now developed in the open and not closed up.
These are not normal teething problems, it's straight up poor poor software and the claims about the supported features are quite simply lies right now. Last time I looked at the compiler, it was basically doing search and replace to generate buggy C code.
Came here to ask why this project was at the top of HN with 15k stars on github yet I had never heard of it. Was also wondering just why- the scope, claims and goals of the project make no sense.
> hellomodule ... hellomodule.o ... hellomodule__print_1_1 ... "cannot import module "mymodule" (not found)" …oh dear. Can someone file this as an issue for me?
A scam on what? Did you pay money for this? Just like any other open-source language, it is a work-in-progress and obviously isn't complete. If it were vapourware, it wouldn't be open-source would it?. ;)
It's nice to keep posting links from authors who are biased against the V project but I don't think you have at least tried the language.
Just like an operating system, a programming language is very difficult in itself to maintain and V seems to be actively maintained. So please signal boost it.
> There's no garbage collection or reference counting. V cleans everything up during compilation. If your V program compiles, it's guaranteed that it's going to be leak free.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20250990
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20229632
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19403271
Also https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20258485
first time I saw it was today and I thought it looked cool.
I think name and shame, street parade the criminal would be a good moderation idea. don't just highlight the best, highlight the worst. it helps reinforce standards
never seen a forum do that tho. it's always about the most liked
but in society we also know the most hated
Edit: sibling comment points out it may seem amazingly cool and nearly impossible because it does not, in fact, exist. How can we learn more about the feasibility of this living up to their claims?
Lies.
On a more serious note, compilers and programming languages take years to get into a usable state, and V very much in early stages of development, pre-pre-pre-alpha or similar quality. It is far from usable for any serious work at all. All the listed features are "planned features", many of which are not yet implementd or buggy. In other words, as development progresses, the author of V will realize that it is not easy to design/implement those features properly, otherwise every language would have that.
It's easy to make a language that compiles faster than C. First get rid of the C preprocessor, and fix the syntax so it is easier to parse (e.g. `name: Type` rather than `Type name`). You can go even further and make it possible to parse each line independently (I think Zig does this?).
Second use a simple modern code generator that doesn't do much optimisation.
https://christine.website/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-0...
But you could say that it overpromises and underdelivers...
The project clearly states that some features are a work in progress (wip)[0]. What happens when this project achieves all those goals? That blog post will become irrelevant.
If this is 'vaporware' why is it open source? We should be happy that this project is now developed in the open and not closed up.
[0] https://vlang.io/
Not honoring monotonic let alone semantic versioning is a bit annoying but oh well.
Well...
It's nice to keep posting links from authors who are biased against the V project but I don't think you have at least tried the language.
Just like an operating system, a programming language is very difficult in itself to maintain and V seems to be actively maintained. So please signal boost it.
> Built-in ORM
Chortle
Proof for those clicking the small triangular: https://vlang.io/img/doom.png
Seems that it can _sometimes_ do Doom.
[0] https://christine.website/blog/v-vvork-in-progress-2020-01-0...